Who will strike first, Iran or Israel?

[Torog]

So, how many American cities would you guys be willing to lose to protect Taiwan? 2? 10? All of them? What ever we say (and I understand why we say it) there is nothing in Taiwan worth a war with China, and the admistration understands that, have you guys noticed that ever since the US invaded North Korea that... oh, wait the US never invaded NK, even though they have killed far more of there own people than Saddam. So what's the difference? They really do have nukes, and that changes the rules. Hopefully, when both Iran and Israel have the bomb they will both have rulers smart enough to realize blowing up the world is a bad idea. Sounds unlikely, but hey, look at India and Pakistan, funny thing, they both got sorta reasonable once a few missiles were pointed their way.

Howdy andrue,

There is something in Taiwan worth nuking China over,and that is the folks there who wish to be free from the hard-line commies that run China. The Free World..needs to fight for Freedom of all,not just for those who already have freedom. The Chinese hard-liners,know full well,that we will win in a nuclear exchange..that we would wipe Beijing and the Forbidden City--off the map. We also have superior air assets as well as a superior sub fleet and navy.

Btw,Israel,has had nukes for a long time and have not used them yet,although they might have used them in DS1,when they were under attack from saddam..but saddam knew that if he didn't use any chemical or biological warheads on his scuds,that the US and Israel,would not use nukes in response. Whereas,as soon as Iran has enough nukes to attack Israel and cause major damage,they will most likely use them without warning.

The mullahs of Iran..are insane with hatred towards Israel and all Jews and infidels,appeasing them..will do no good..they will only understand overwhelming force--applied vigorously..arabs don't respect appeasers...they respect force. It wasn't until we toppled saddam and sons,that Ghaddafi of Libya..saw the 'light'..and decided to end his wmd program. If he was still faced with the spine-less UN..his wmd program,would still be in full developement.

Have a good one ...

[Torog]

Torog, how can launching nuclear weapons at anybody make sense? Millions of innocent people will die. How can anything justify that?

This thread scares the shit out of me.

Howdy GhostToker,

If we launch nukes,it will be against the seat of command and control and military targets..we would not intentionally target civilians. We did not and do not,target civilians in Iraq. BTW,not all civilians are innocent,as you would have us believe,those who aid and abett terrorists and insurgents,are not innocent. Terrorists and insurgents,don't wear uniforms..they prefer to use the real,innocent civilians,as human shields and blend in with them.

Have a good one ...

[GHoSToKeR]

I was referring to this, Torog;

"prime minister Golda Meier and her war ministers passed a desperate plan ordering that any future Israeli government that sees enemy armies overwhelming their soldiers by sheer numbers, that government must resolve to unleash Israel's considerable arsenal of nuclear weapons against the invading nation's major cities. They called this desperate tactic the "Sampson Option" after their Biblical strongman Sampson.

Note how it says they will launch nuclear weapons at "the invading nation's major cities". If this was to happen then yes, you (since you seem to be referring to yourself and Israel as one and the same) would be intentionally targetting millions of innocent civilians.

[Torog]

I was referring to this, Torog;


Note how it says they will launch nuclear weapons at "the invading nation's major cities". If this was to happen then yes, you (since you seem to be referring to yourself and Israel as one and the same) would be intentionally targetting millions of innocent civilians.

Howdy GhostToker,

Okay..I see where yer coming from..well..in Israel's case..the civilians ain't so innocent,as most are taught from birth,and still are ,to hate Israel and all Jews and infidels and individual rights..as is being done in every arab country. There are many Iranians who want democracy,but the control over them is so brutal and complete,that they cannot overcome it,such was the case in Iraq.

Have a good one ...

[GHoSToKeR]

Maybe you're right. Maybe these civilians aren't completely innocent, but does that mean you should nuke them? Going by this method you should have just nuked Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention every enemy nation during World War 2. Doesn't that logic seem wrong to you?

[Psycho4Bud]

Maybe you're right. Maybe these civilians aren't completely innocent, but does that mean you should nuke them? Going by this method you should have just nuked Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention every enemy nation during World War 2. Doesn't that logic seem wrong to you?

This is a lot different than them examples. In which case they felt immenant defeat. LAUNCH!! We die, everybody dies mentality. You can bet your ass that if an invading force was about ready to conquer either the U.S. or China, it would be rockets away!!! Is it right.....probably not, but reality.

[nicholasstanko]

Howdy GhostToker,

If we launch nukes,it will be against the seat of command and control and military targets..we would not intentionally target civilians. We did not and do not,target civilians in Iraq. BTW,not all civilians are innocent,as you would have us believe,those who aid and abett terrorists and insurgents,are not innocent. Terrorists and insurgents,don't wear uniforms..they prefer to use the real,innocent civilians,as human shields and blend in with them.

Have a good one ...

fuck that shit, torog!


dont attack civilians yeh right! just like how america "accidentally" hit TWO civilian targets in nagasaki and japan.

[andruejaysin]

One tiny little problem, they might feel obliged to nuke us back. And what about the billion people in mainland China? Is their freedom less important than that of those in Taiwan? Do you propose an invasion of China? Or of Iran? Invade them with what, exactly? The US Army is kinda busy for the next few years. Sure you can bomb their nucleur facilities, but they will no dought rebuild them, and have an even worse attitude when they do. We may of course do it anyway, because it would mean $5 gasoline, very good if you are an oilman.

[Psycho4Bud]

fuck that shit, torog!


dont attack civilians yeh right! just like how america "accidentally" hit TWO civilian targets in nagasaki and japan.

Nick, that was 60 years ago when the military attitude was to destroy cities regardless of who was there. We are now in the age of precision bombing. Big difference.

[nicholasstanko]

Nick, that was 60 years ago when the military attitude was to destroy cities regardless of who was there. We are now in the age of precision bombing. Big difference.

yeh, and that's why 100,000+ iraqi civilians are dead now...because soldiers were walking around shooting them on sight right?

bullshit! whether it was sixty years or couple weeks ago, bombs fall on civilians regardless.