Quote Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Excellent post, BrownFloyd! And welcome to the boards!



Well, there you have it Torog... If you think it was unprovoked then I doubt you'll ever see it any other way, but think about this analargy for a second...


We're in a playground at a Primary School (Elementary School). There's a boy standing alone in the corner of the playground. In the opposite corner there are a large group of boys, obviously the 'popular' kids. One of them spots the lone child at the other side of the playground, and, because he looks different, acts different, sounds different, talks different, then the popular guy automatically dislikes him. As the week progresses this guy starts to bully the other kid incessantly. He tells him what to do, where to go, how to act, and never fears that this little kid might one day retalliate.

The bullying continues without coming to a head, but one day another child sees what is happening and doesn't like it. The next time the big, popular guy goes to strike out against his victim, the other child comes along and attacks him first. He punches and kicks him as hard as he can, though he's alot smaller and weaker than his opponent, but he does his best to inflict as much damage as he can in the only way he can. Then he runs off, and the tough guy is left cut and bruised and shocked.

Obviously he tells his friends what happened, but of course in his opinion this was an unprovoked attack. As far as he's concerned, some random kid just attacked him for absolutely no reason. Of course he'll never bother to link his attackers behaviour with his own behaviour towards his victim.

I could go on but I think you get my point. Does this scenario sound familiar?

Sound familiar?
Howdy GhostToker,

Yup..I see where yer coming from..however,in the case of 9/11/01,it was the 'bullies' striking out at innocent people..the terrorists,are the bullies who want total control..they accuse the US of being bullies..because we're keeping them from forming the brutal,oppressive goverment that they desire..the terrorists didn't attack America,because they wanted to give their people freedom..they did so to git America out of their faces..and put in place,a brutal,islamofascist goverment.

Let me say this again--the terrorists seek to take away freedom..not to give freedom..they ain't fighting the US for a noble cause..they are fighting for control.

When I was in Saudi,a feller that had been there in country,for over 25 years,said that the arabs were resentful of America coming into their countries and building infrastructure and raising them up from their tribal,nomadic roots..so that they could be a part of civilization and extract their oil and sell it to the world. The Saudi's became embarrassed,that a bunch of infidels did for their country,what they should have done..and they hate us for it,he said that is just one major reason why we would be treated like crap,while in country..one of the other reasons,of course,was that we were all infidels in their eyes.

I see America,as a liberator..not a bully..the kid that attacked the bully in your story,was a liberator..not a bully. In fact..I was once the 'liberator'..when I was a kid,I attacked the bully..and became life-long friends with the kid that was being bullied. America,is taking out the bullies..and giving control over to the ones that have been bullied all of their lives..that is noble..killing over 3 thousand folks..is not noble. Because of America,over 50 million folks have been freed from the brutal bullies that have controled them all of their lives..because of America,women can now vote,participate in politics and go to school..that ain't being a bully--except to those who wish to retain brutal control.

Have a good one ....