Bush and the hurricane

[mike jones]

May I ask you why you would find the need to help George Bush's reputation as a reason to help these people as sort of a basis?

You do represent what I know to be the middle of America Mike. And as such I would like to know why you think we cant change the foriegn policy or other policies that may prove to be negative in their producing anything of value? You were pretty adament in your belief the way it is stated there and it is something I would hope is not true. Knowing why you would think it cant change is important for me.

Thanks!

I just watched Bush give a statement on CNN from the white house with former Presidents Clinton and Bush, so he is obviously back in Washington.

If I understand the first question correctly, I don't think Bush's reputation is a basis for helping these people. Obviously, the people need help regardless. The message I intended to convey was that, as in the 9/11 situation, that if the rescue efforts are coordinated well and people get help, Bush will look good. Right now on CNN, they interviewed a man who just thanked the President for getting buses into New Orleans and getting him to safety to Houston. Obviously, Bush had nothing to do with getting him out of Louisiana. But that's just how people feel.

In regards to foreign policy, I think it can change in the future, but not under the Bush regime. 50% of the country didn't want to keep this President in the last election, and the greater part of the world disapproves of what he has done throughout the world. Let's get back to this question in 2008 when we have someone in office that the rest of the world can trust.

Once again, I am not a Bush supporter. I was just trying to take a relatively neutral viewpoint. I strongly disapprove of the Iraq situation, and I would definitely like someone else in office right now. But we are stuck with Bush for now, and therefore, I'm not going to openly bash a President that's not going anywhere for the next 3 years. What good does it do to rip the guy on this message board? He is taking enough of a hit right now by not dropping a few sandwiches and bottles of water to the 25,000 people stranded outside the Superdome. This rescue effort is obviously being botched as we speak, so let's just watch this unfold. But I guess it's a lot easier to be critical sitting here in sunny California, rather than in Washington.

Lastly, I'm hearing there are civilian snipers outside a hospital disabling the evacuation of sick patients. What the fuck is wrong with people?

[ArtRollins]

Sadly, people are not happy. The violence is a result. The reasons are so deep and old it is mind boggling and this is not the place for it. I really like having fun, and here in cannabis land I should have it. I hope you dont mind if I just move along to more fun topics. That agent never would deny his ID, you know they cannot deny if questioned but I dont know if it applies in a public forum like in real world, but he would not say no. So. I do have a deadline to meet. See you in one of the other threads and lets hope for the best. Cheers

[GHoSToKeR]

Toker

I was off, but something bothers me here. So help me out, I know you are a stoner.

Look, all the years sitting with stoners, and I have a lot of them, I found many differences of opinion, but never like this guy. I just want to ask you outside of him and that other name here, in your normal life, just stoning about with people, have you ever encountered a stoner, I mean one who goes out of his way to be on boards and everything, who has this kind of politics? I never have. I wonder if you had? Cannabis helps break from this kind of programming, not reinforce it. None of what he said has a shred of reality or proof as all of us showed. So, have you ever really met a stoner, you are British, you know. So? How many Tory stoners are there?

Did you ever read my articles?

LOL Nope, i've never encountered anybody quite like Amsterdam in my real life. But, i'm only 18 so alot of the people in my social circle are of roughly the same age... not many 18 year olds are so set in their ways yet. And teenagers pretty much always tend to lean more to the left, do you agree?

Funnily enough, a friend of mine was in the area so I invited him in for a joint or two (he just left about five minutes ago). We chatted about all sorts of things, and both of us being stoners, we got on to the subject of weed and weed politics. I said something to the effect that what annoys me the most is that alot of people only think weed is bad because it's illegal, and that it's illegal because it's bad. I thought he would have agreed with me, since he's almost as much of a stoner as me, but he said something like "Yeah, I know! They think it's only bad because it's illegal but they don't know how it can kill you, it can cause psychosis, it can cause families to split up.... yadda, yadda, yadda".

I nearly punched him. But I wasn't entirely shocked, because after being a regular user of this site for over a year i've come to realise that not all stoners have the same opinions regarding alot of stuff. We all have one thing in common, and we all share one common desire, but sometimes that's as far as it goes.

Frankly this site would be alot less interesting without people like Torog, Amsterdam, Psycho, etc, because our debates add a certain kind of variety that you don't get on many sites - we can argue and argue about certain subjects until we're ready to kill eachother, but then we can still have a laugh and a normal conversation because at the end of the day we're all stoners and there's always gonna be something that we agree on. Plus, stoners are nice people most of the time, no matter what side of the political fencde they're on.

To assume that all stoners agree on everything would be wrong. Like I said, we all have a common interest, an interest that will never fail to bring us together when it comes down to it, but we all have different entirely different backgrounds, opinions and views. That's why stoners are so cool.



Oh, and no, sorry, I've never read any of your articles because I don't know where to find them. Perhaps a link?

[eg420ne]

I just watched Bush give a statement on CNN from the white house with former Presidents Clinton and Bush, so he is obviously back in Washington.

If I understand the first question correctly, I don't think Bush's reputation is a basis for helping these people. Obviously, the people need help regardless. The message I intended to convey was that, as in the 9/11 situation, that if the rescue efforts are coordinated well and people get help, Bush will look good. Right now on CNN, they interviewed a man who just thanked the President for getting buses into New Orleans and getting him to safety to Houston. Obviously, Bush had nothing to do with getting him out of Louisiana. But that's just how people feel.

In regards to foreign policy, I think it can change in the future, but not under the Bush regime. 50% of the country didn't want to keep this President in the last election, and the greater part of the world disapproves of what he has done throughout the world. Let's get back to this question in 2008 when we have someone in office that the rest of the world can trust.

Once again, I am not a Bush supporter. I was just trying to take a relatively neutral viewpoint. I strongly disapprove of the Iraq situation, and I would definitely like someone else in office right now. But we are stuck with Bush for now, and therefore, I'm not going to openly bash a President that's not going anywhere for the next 3 years. What good does it do to rip the guy on this message board? He is taking enough of a hit right now by not dropping a few sandwiches and bottles of water to the 25,000 people stranded outside the Superdome. This rescue effort is obviously being botched as we speak, so let's just watch this unfold. But I guess it's a lot easier to be critical sitting here in sunny California, rather than in Washington.

Lastly, I'm hearing there are civilian snipers outside a hospital disabling the evacuation of sick patients. What the fuck is wrong with people?

Bush is soo n asshole man. Hes a oilman his daddy was a oilman uncle dick is a oil man condi. He can stop this gas rapeing now put a cap on it something . Dont forget that texas, oklahoma among other have there own oil plants and themsum

[Fengzi]

really,i have been to China and seen the millions of homes the govt. there destroyed to make room for the olympics.where do they live now?its in those tents lining the streets in the area that looks like new orleans right now.

i dont think China is some crazed dictatorship like Iran OR North Korea.i dont sweat China,whatever for them.as long as they keep making my air max we are cool.lol

Ok Amsterdam, I'm wrong. You took your tour and got your "I climbed the Great Wall" T-Shirt. I'll never doubt your knowledge of China again.

At least your not one of those "China's gonna nuke us in their attempt to spread communism" types.

[naturalmystic]

I would not consider myself a Bush supporter, but I definitely DO NOT think you can place any blame on him for this disaster. When a Cat. 5 hurricane alters its course and destroys an entire city in a matter of hours, I don't think anybody can be blamed for that.

However, I think this would be a wonderful opportunity for the government to look like heroes by stepping up in a time of extreme crisis and HELP THESE PEOPLE. I believe Bush was on vacation when the hurricane hit the US, and I have not heard much from him or about him during this disaster. In the upcoming weeks and months, I think Bush could come out of this as a real hero if the US government can find a way to help these survivors.

We can't change Bush's foreign policy, and we can't change what has already happened. But what we can try and change now is that there are now a few million more homeless people in this country. It doesn't look good for the gov't at all when troops aren't being brought into the South right now because the gov't is worried about people sitting on the roofs of their flooded houses firing at national guard troops and helicopters with handguns.

Bush is the face of the government and the face of the nation. If we can find a way as a country to get food, water, and shelter to these people, Bush is gonna look good. And if we can find a way to restore these peoples' lives (they have no money, homes, or jobs now,) well Bush is going to look really good. But if we start seeing corpses floating through flood water, Bush is going to look reeeeaaally bad.

I completely agree with you. Right now, our top priority is to help these people out, in any way possible. Right now, it is total anarchy. Policemen are being shot in the heads, people are shooting at the national guards, helicopters, it's just awful.

This thread was not an attack on Bush for 'causing' this disaster. Any MORON can see that one person cannot cause a hurricane. Please read carefully before you spout out your crap at me. Just because you do not agree, does not mean i'm wrong. I'm simply stating, that had Bush been more concerned on OUR OWN economy, rather than attacking a country which posed no threat to us, the city would not be in as bad as a condition as it is now. I sat on my couch watching every news channel that covered this disaster. I sat there and watched as thousands of poor blacks filed into the Superdome because they could not afford to get out of the city. Yes, ok, our government's first priority is to protect us. But by invading Iraq, they weren't protecting anyone, but their bank account. The fact is, Iraq has consumed all of us for 4 years now. Had we not invaded Iraq, our government could've spent our money on better things, like helping the poor. Granted, no one is perfect. You can't expect the president to fix everything, what does it look like when the main problem now, is getting thousands of poor people out of the city? That's not even ALL the poor people in the city, think about how many poor people, like the ones in New Orleans, are in our country.

Again, any IDIOT can see that Bush didn't cause this hurricane, but he did contribute the post-hurricane situation by not paying enough attention to his own people, and paying TOO much attention to a country which posed no threat .

[naturalmystic]

Toroq, your accusation of enviromentalists causing the gas prices to rise so high, is as bad as someone blaming Bush for causing the hurricane.

[Kramerica]

Howdy natural,

The primary duty of any president,is national security..not redistributing the wealth so that there aren't any poor folks,this is a capitalist country..not a socialist or communist country..and there are still plenty of poor folks in both the former and latter,what's their excuse ?

If you stub yer toe in the morning..do ya blame it on Bush ? I knew that it was only a matter of time before anti-Bush people would try and find a way to blame Bush for a natural disaster. As for the price of gasoline,I blame that on the environazis who have managed to keep new refineries from being built and oil and natural gas fields from being opened and developed,they also have prevented new nuclear plants from being built.

Have a good one....

This is the typical conservative response Ive been expecting on Fox News.
Hurricane Katrina? Blame it on Clinton! Gas prices soar, Blame it on the Sierra Club!
Fact is, this administration deflects the blame and criticism in every direction for every problem in our country, whether it be the war, the economy, social security, etc etc
Isnt that part of being the chief executive as well; Taking responsibility?
But thats the republican way; POINT THE FINGER!!!!!!!!!!!

[naturalmystic]

I'm not republican. But I'll admit, i'm pointing the finger on Bush. Just not for the same reason most of you people think.

[red662]

I'm not one of the those people to just find reasons to spout against bush but..

Had he been alittle less concerned with a country that we now know posed no threat to us, and had spent more time working on our economy, there wouldn't be as many people who are right now riding 9 hours to houston. Those who were forced to take shelter in the superdome were very poor and couldn't even get out of the city. I think our country is in terrible shape when people are so poor they can't even leave the city.


On a side question, those of you not in the U.S., how much press is this disaster getting around the world?

i have 2 agre sort out shit @ home b4 worrin bout the rest off the world.
i live in ireland, and when i was younger i experianced the same situation, i was homeless(all my own fault) and shit i really seen dublins problems, drugs drink people diein in there sleep on steps somewhere. and while all this was goin on our famous celtic tiger was doin very well 4 itself an irelands econemy grew and has done so since, yet our citys homeless and drink/drug problem has escalated while the goverment r spendin mils on new fancy builings everywhere, our sky line is littered with cranes, which any1 who knows bout economics will know that that in itself is a sign irelands econemy is booming, yet they wont deal with there probs @ home.
all joinin the eu did was change our money and nothin else, especially with the escalatin probs, an u know what they did 2 celebrate eires econemy.........they built a 200 foot syringe, with our hroin problem it was a right joke an still is 2 this day.
they had a draw to see the winnin monument and the spike in the sky won, costin mils that could have eased a small bit off the biger probs on the streets of dublin, not nice