Indeed, thanks for the extra nudge there chowder . I put all of them under 2 extra fluoro's I had laying around my house, a 40w and a 50w, both 4 foot tubes. I got my others growing fine though , I am so happy about there success, I am going to be cloning these clones once are ready, I am going to do much studying upon cloning and try to make the next clones a success .