Warning: You are all blindly enmeshed into an artifically constructed dynamic society

[Az.]

ok....just ignore that post....lol....it doesnt make much sense.....i just woke up and am not really thinking about what im saying

[ADaisyChain]

What about sex offenders? Like rapists or those serial killers that molest the little boys?

Do you adore their lack of suppression for their carnal desires?

[NightProwler]

when i get stoned i do get philisophical... but i cant read more than a paragraph without getting bored

[Button Basher]

Regarding the original post:

I can see what your saying. Matter of fact I made almost exactly the same thread a while ago shortly after I started toking. I think thoughts like this can kinda creep up on broad minded people once you start smoking weed. I'm kinda glad I read this, I feel exactly the same about the world and hate thinking about how human beings have totally fucked it up.
But to be honest, I wouldn't regard society as a poison to humans. We are blessed with the intelligence to question our existence and with that intelligence comes the ability to create civilisation. It's a gift, not a curse. I think it's incredible what mankind has achieved as the only intelligent creatures on Earth. Try to forget the war, radioactivity, pollution and industrialisation and focus on the art, the music and the architecture. You might feel we are trapped by society but it is a small price to pay for the intelligence that we as humans are born with. We understand that without society, there is only confusion and chaos. You may not like what society has become (I don't either) but as long as you can look beyond the material possessions, celebrities and mankinds discontent despite being spoilt for choice, you can still find beauty in the world and appreciate it for what it is. I'd congratulate yourself for that ability !

Thanks for bringing a deep discussion here when I was about to give up hope.

Oh, and I don't admire criminals. They commit crimes for their own benefit without regard for anyone else. They arn't making a statement, they're just twats !

[Button Basher]

What about sex offenders? Like rapists or those serial killers that molest the little boys?

Do you adore their lack of suppression for their carnal desires?

That's a good point too. The fact is we arn't animals and can understand the value of life. Like I said, it's not a curse.

[Fengzi]

I totally agree that nearly all of what we percieve to be "normal" is only "normal" in that it is what we have been taught by others who have been taught by other who have been taught by others, etc. Religion and the belief in God is a perfect example of this concept. There is no scientific proof that God exists. In fact there is very little, scientific or not, to support the existance of God at all. I was not taught this and not brought up in a religous household and the whole concept of belief in a God really baffles me. Yet billions of people believe in God, what ever they may call him. Why, because it is what they have been taught from the time they were born.

I do, however, believe that emotions like love and compassion as well as basic decency are inherent to human beings. "Domination, murder, rape" are not "repressed instincts" those that call them that only do so to justify what they have done or wish to do. It may be instint to want to breed with as many females as possible. It is not instinct to rape them if they are unwilling, however.

Humans are not the only ones with rules, laws, and societal structures. These are common traits in animals all the way down to bees and ants. Horny lions don't just go around fucking any lioness they want, as with most mammals it is the female lion who determines wheher or not she mates with the male. Of course the male lion is bigger and more powerful and could probably "rape" the female if he wanted to but there is something deep down, whether instict or something more, that keeps him in line. Yes, survival of the fittest does apply here and it is the strongest male who is the leader of the pride but this is still within the confines of lion "society".

Frankly, Toking with Jesus, I find some of what you say to be more than a bit disturbing. Kind of like what they find in the journals of some guy who's got their neighbor's bits and pieces neatly organized in the freezer. Hopefully it's just the ramblings of someone who's smoked way too much weed. If not, I'll watch for you on the morning news.

[A Foo Says]

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[Button Basher]

Irankly, Toking with Jesus, I find some of what you say to be more than a bit disturbing. Kind of like what they find in the journals of some guy who's got their neighbor's bits and pieces neatly organized in the freezer. Hopefully it's just the ramblings of someone who's smoked way too much weed. If not, I'll watch for you on the morning news.

Tomorrows headlines = 'Cannabis smoking teen arrested for murder of entire neighbourhood. "It was my animal instincts!"'

[Toking with Jesus]

I am very glad to see some fellow Cannabis users agree with me. I am glad to reveal this philosophical belief that I have revealed to you, straight from my heart in what I truly believe in. Fengzi, I see you disagree with some of my beliefs, let me give you an example of this. You say that Domination, desire for power, murder, rape and greed are not repressed instincts? The desire for rape is not within the boundaries of the instincts?

Let me ask you this...surely, we have all came across many beautiful looking females in our life. Did we look at these beautiful females in a sexual, deviant way? Did we admire their beautiful, round, curvy delicate butt and legs? Im sure the majority of us have. Now, when you looked at her..did you have any "thoughts" about her? perhaps using your imagination to fill in the missing gaps that her clothes are covering, her private parts? Did you think about fucking her....HARD ? Did you ever want to just "possess" a female to yourself? Please be honest when you answer this question. There is nothing wrong with the truth. Fear not! Anybody with a decent amount of testosterone will say yes. Well, we are all constantly plaqued by such "sinful" forbidden thoughts..things we can think about..but will never dare do. The instinct of sexuality, is the most repressed, most suppressed, and most ignored instinct among man. We want to fuck these girls...but we wont in fear of retribution and law-enforcement. Look at Africa for example...rapes are happening right in the streets, right on the open. Why? Because there is no society over there. Look at how the people in the remotest terrain of deep Africa behave. They are Cannibals, killers, rapists, and savages. They are not trained by society, only by their ego.

Another good example of repressed instincts of violence, power, and hate that is common among us. Do you ever think about revenge? Perhaps a guy cheated on your girlfriend, and took her away from you? In the deepest realms of your imagination, Did you ever want to murder him in cold blood? Did you ever play these fantasy scenerios in your head in anger? And last, did you ever DO what you WANTED to DO? If you didnt, you are repressing your instinct. A tiger who has been "cheated" on his mate, will by all means, kill the male on the spot. Sexual selection then comes into play. ANimal fights between two males occur. The strong wins, and therefore passes on his glory and power onto the next generation, the weak perish forever. I believe in chaos over order. I believe there is no good thing about society. Im sorry if my philisophy hurts you, it is the bare truth. It is what lies deep inside our repressed subconscious.

Marijuana is about releasing these feelings and exposing yourself to it. Marijuana is about healing, regeneration, and power. Marijuana exposes the truth..the contents that are jarred deep inside your head are released forth in trains of thoughts. Next time you toke up, explore your mind, explore your forbidden carnal desires, explore deep inside your mind. If you are smoking powerful enough Marijuana, you WILL be exposed such feelings I was telling you about.

[Fengzi]

Yes, I am guilty. I am a happily married man but every time I see a really beautiful woman I have the deisre to have sex with her. That desire is based on the instinct to procreate and I can't deny that. But what I desire is good hot sex, not fucking some woman against her will while she is crying and begging me to stop. There is quite a difference. And I will not for one minute belive that it is because socciety has trained me that way. I will certainly agree that it is society that tells us we should only have sex with one person. But it is decency and compassion for others, which is part of our being, society or not, that prevents us from raping women against their will.

As for your statement about rape in Africa, I have no knowledge about this one way or another so I will refrain from commenting. What I do know is that there is a tribe of people in Papua New Guinea who are essentially sex freaks. They start having sex when they are young children, have many partners, will have sex anytime, anywhere, in private, public, doesn't matter. There is almost no instances of rape, however, as having sex with an unwilling partner is strictly taboo. So, while these people certainly are giving in to their instinctual desires for sex there is something that prevents them from just taking it. Oddly enough unwanted pregnancy and stds are also pretty much unknown to these people. Seems they know some secret we don't.

As far as revenge is concerned, sure, we have all felt the desire for it. And I, like many others, have acted out on this. But what is this based on? I agree that it is instinct. But my guess is that it is based on the instinct of self preservation. Way back when, if some one eye brow having neanderthal came and stole your wooly mammoth burger you'd go and club the mother fucker and take it back. Not because you wanted to hurt the guy, but because you wanted to eat. it was self preservation. Now if someone comes along and steals my whopper, yeah. I'll probably pop him in the jaw and take it back. Sure, I could just go and buy another one but that old instinct kicks in. But again, the instinct is one of survival, not of a desire for violence.

So, I still definitely disagree that we have an instinct for violence, an instinct to harm others and take what we want. We have an instinct for survival, that's all. Like most animals, we band together in groups to facilitate this survival. And, like most animals, we have rules, some clearly laid out and others unspoken, that define how we act in these groups. As such, it would stand to reason that it is instinct that leads us to form societies and form the laws that goven these societies. Makes sense, doesn't it?