If you were President WHat would your Platform be?

[Psycho4Bud]

Right, everyone has to contribute, but when I do not own the means of production the only way I can contribute is by being exploited by someone who does, and that exploitation is protected by the military and police of the State. And if there aren't enough jobs to go around, even if it isn't their fault, a portion of the population is forced into unemployment and hence starvation. Under capitalism, more grain is deliberately destroyed annually to inflate prices (and hence profits for corporations) than could solve the famine crisis in Africa, just because the economy is based on competition and profit-making rather than actually meeting the needs of the populace. Why is "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" so objectionable?

I live in a state where there is a large Hmong population. I can recall after the first year of being here they rented some fields on the outside of town visible from the highway. Hotter than hell outside they worked the fields by hand, old school! At the end of the season they sold all the goods. Not looking for a hand out but looking to be self supportive.
I've spoke to a few that were my neighbors. The father told me that in their community if a person was in need of lets say a refrigerator. A collection was taken within their community and the person would have his fridge.
Working together, doing jobs that some would feel is beneath them. What is more beneath a person than being homeless and starving?

Why is "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" so objectionable
Thats easy. Some people are just born lazy! Why should the government or private sector be responsible for someone of this mind frame? If your speaking of someone that CAN'T work do to physical impairments I'm with you 100%. But if at all possible, give the person a feeling of self worth. Even if all they can do is answer a phone and direct a call.

[BlueCat]

Political campaigns do cost a lot of money and our team has spent much time researching the easiest way on how to accomplish this. Even though I hate to be exploited, for my fellow Americans I shall walk the extra mile!

HAHAHAHAHAHA thanks I needed that laugh this morning....

[ermitonto]

Why is "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" so objectionable
Thats easy. Some people are just born lazy!...If your speaking of someone that CAN'T work do to physical impairments I'm with you 100%. But if at all possible, give the person a feeling of self worth. Even if all they can do is answer a phone and direct a call.

You do not realize that the lazy are in charge of capitalism. Does Bill Gates really do the work of 14,000,000 workers? I bet he spends a lot more time sitting around in luxury than the Microsoft production line workers, don't you?

Sure, if someone is going to be using the wealth of a community, it is only fair that they be obliged to contribute to the common wealth of that community. But capitalism stifles the ability of workers to get out of society what they deserve, since part of their labor is expropriated (stolen) by the leaders of the capitalist firms as profit, who are allowed to live without working simply because they happen to be the owners of the means of production. Capitalism systematically starves Africa because of its drive for profit for the few at the top of the economic ladder. There is no justification for such a heinous system.

Why should the government or private sector be responsible for someone of this mind frame?

The point is, there should be NO government or private sector. These are exploitative parasites on society.

[pisshead]

you're confusing monopoly capitalism and socialism and fascism, which is what we have now, with real free market capitalism...

[BlueCat]

Dumping of illegal waste:
Small fines to corporations don't cut it. The fine shall be tallied based upon the amount of waste. If it would have cost a million to dispose of said waste, a fine of 10 million will be imposed. Not only that, but board of directors, C.E.O.s and others responsible will be physically mandated to help with the clean-up efforts. NO MORE buying your way out at a fraction of the cost and laughing later on in your country clubs. ACCOUNTABILITY!

Clean enviroment for clean herb! This will fall under the responsibilities of Tommy Chong.

GEE you are sounding like a tree hugging liberal!! J/K

There are several plants here in AR that pour all kinds of shit into the air and water...(heavy metals) the EPA fines them but they don't care....it is cheaper to pay the fine than it is to clean up their mess!! grrrrrrrrrr

[Psycho4Bud]

You do not realize that the lazy are in charge of capitalism. Does Bill Gates really do the work of 14,000,000 workers? I bet he spends a lot more time sitting around in luxury than the Microsoft production line workers, don't you?

The point is, there should be NO government or private sector. These are exploitative parasites on society.

Didn't Bill Gates also start off in his garage creating what is today Microsoft? Because of his will he is now able to employ the work force you speak of. I'm sure he's not busting his butt at all these days and like most of the T.V. multi-millionaire jocks we see is probably way over paid. Hell, take a look at Oprah!! The thing is though, this type of class system...upper, middle, lower gives incentive to thrive for higher goals. Some are content to be what they are and others are on a mission. The Gates, Fords, etc....are definately rich beyond wildest dreams but they also provide alot of income for the working sector.
If we all made the same cash, there would be no doctors. Why bust your hump in school for so long when you know you could make the same pay right out of high school. It's all about incentive to achieve.

[ermitonto]

I don't advocate "monopoly capitalism" or "fascism", just socialism, that is, the ownership of the means of production in common by the people, organized into federations based on free association (not all property owned by a state capitalist Marxist government which rules over the people). You probably have never really researched anarchist communist economics, so here are some materials if you would like to actually know what it is that I am advocating:
http://www.zabalaza.net/theory.htm
http://www.anarchistfaq.de/secCcon.html

[Psycho4Bud]

GEE you are sounding like a tree hugging liberal!! J/K

There are several plants here in AR that pour all kinds of shit into the air and water...(heavy metals) the EPA fines them but they don't care....it is cheaper to pay the fine than it is to clean up their mess!! grrrrrrrrrr

OUCH!!! Tree hugger??? Low blow by my opponent!!

That is the problem! The fine is less than the initial cost of clean up. And not only that, if these people think it's o.k. to dump their goods (since apparently it poses no harm) THEY can be front line in the dirt, on their hands and knees, helping with the clean-up!
I think my administration could nip this problem in the bud!!

[ermitonto]

If we all made the same cash, there would be no doctors. Why bust your hump in school for so long when you know you could make the same pay right out of high school. It's all about incentive to achieve.

So if nobody had any private ownership of the means of production, doctors would quit helping their fellow man and people would lose all interest in advancing medicine? You're saying that all the doctors who continued to work in the anarchist communist communities of revolutionary Spain and Ukraine didn't exist, that they were just a figment of people's imagination?

(P.S. You're saying that all those starving Africans deserve it because they're not working as hard as Bill Gates did? Bullshit.)

[Psycho4Bud]

So if nobody had any private ownership of the means of production, doctors would quit helping their fellow man and people would lose all interest in advancing medicine? You're saying that all the doctors who continued to work in the anarchist communist communities of revolutionary Spain and Ukraine didn't exist, that they were just a figment of people's imagination?

(P.S. You're saying that all those starving Africans deserve it because they're not working as hard as Bill Gates did? Bullshit.)

Not saying that at all. What I am saying is there is no incentive to become a doctor if the pay is equal to that of a bagboy.
You speak of Spain and the Ukraine, they have leaders. I thought you were against that?

And as for Africa. That is a totally different enviroment. I am not by any means comparing what the opportunities are for the people in Africa as to the United States.