thanks toke it, that might be cheaper! all this feedback is great and yes zandor i deff have hole at the bottom of the bucket! ...although i think i am going to ditch these plants and try from scratch and do it the right way...i don't think there is any hope for these guys anymore!!! thanks for all your help....does anyone know where to get good seeds at? i live in f'n PA...so its hard to get crap shipped here! thanks alot!!!!