Thanks Again Guys !!! Great help....I am going to try the bubbler system again, except lowering the water level this time as the initial reasearch used to build this system did not specify. Also I think I may have had the clones cut too short....do ya think?? This time I have cut them with a min. of 4 nodes above the cut, and will suspend just above the surface of the water. I am now using a liquid schultz plant food and superthrive, which have made the bonsai mums go stupid on me, two cutting per week just to fit in my cabinet. Do you think that will help the bubbler system?? Also building a drip system this weekend, unfortunately the cabinet was designed around SWC, will this work with drip?? Thanks again in advance for the help