It's starting to sound like we really agree on the basics here if not the fine details. And, I think we definitely agree that when all is said and done the fundy Muslims are much more of an immediate threat than China. Pakistan is who worries me the most. I can't beleive I'm the only one who can see some parallels between them and Iran 20 years ago. How long before some charismatic, hard core, fundamentalist comes to power after convincing the rest of the population that the Musharraf is just too accomodating to the Western heathens. Then it won't be about dealing with a fundy country who might be developing nukes. It will about dealing with a fundy country that already has them.