Thoughts on China....HELP

[BlueCat]

pardon the typo on your name as well Fengzi .....

[Psycho4Bud]

US troops start firing at syrians across the border...US builds forward base near border...

8 U.S. troops killed in Iraq as fighting intensifies at Syria border

U.S. forces in western Iraq are facing fierce resistance to their new effort to take control of the Syrian border, with car bombs and an apparent ambush killing eight U.S. troops in a single day, Army and Marine officials said yesterday.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...21_iraq03.html

the last 3 days in iraq.....210 different attacks

21 marines killed

1,800 mark crossed (# of US soldiers killed since May 2003)

president leaves for longest presidential vacation in 39 years (5 weeks, his 50th vacation in 5 years), beating his personal record which he set in the weeks prior to sept. 11, 2001)


Yep really looks like we are wrapping things up...

Their nearing the end of writing the constitution, they have close to 160,000 troops trained, their talking of pulling out in 2006. Shit takes time, as for the Syrian border, when you have insurgents jumping from border to border...there will be exchanges in gun fire. But this time....well, read my signature!

[BlueCat]

Oh, Justice will be served and the battle will rage.
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage
You'll be sorry that you messed with the US of A
'Cuz we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way.

Oh yeah sure that makes me feel better...
The American way is to sell weapons and kill? You sound proud.

[pisshead]

not only to sell weapons and kill...you gotta 'accidentally' train the very terrorists that are going to 'attack' you in this country...then protect and pay the 'terrorists'...so you have an excuse to nuke some people...

bush is on a 5 week vacation at his TV sound stage in Crawford where they can hide with no one around miles and miles...we're under very similar circumstances that led to the 9/11...

[Fengzi]

Ever hear the term "keeping up with the Jones" ? It's all about saving face which is very big in Chinese/Taiwanese (pretty much all Asian) culture.

China is a huge country with a rapidly growing economy but a military which is sorely lacking, at least compared to the U.S. It's an embarassment to be this giant superpower with a shitty miltary so they build it up. Doesn't neccessarily mean they wil use it. They just want to be able to say they can. Kind of like owning a Hummer. How many people who own them would ever risk a scratch by taking them off road. But they sure look impressive(at least the owners think so) and its nice to know they could go off road if they wanted to but really who will.

As far as Taiwan is concerned, this seems to be an issue that is of more concern to us than most Taiwanese or Chinese. There's a lot of posturing in the name of saving face but its unlikely that either side will do anything. Taiwan companies invest billions of $ in Mainland China each year. Why would they do this if they thought war was a strong possibility within the next few years?

My companies headquarters is in Taiwan, with offices in Shanghai, Beijing, HK, and Chengdu. I speak with these people daily. None of the people in Taiwan that I work with actually support declaring independence. They know it would be suicide. Most are actually very vocal in their disagreement with their current governments posturing. And, while most mainland Chinese that I know will be more than happy to state that Taiwan is actually just another province of China none support any kind of military action to support their claim.

As I've mentioned before, China (and Taiwan) is doing very well right now. They don't want to screw it up. China isn't some rogue state with a psychotic dictator who doesn't care if his country is wiped out. They know that any war with Taiwan or the U.S would be fought on their own ground. Even if nukes weren't used the damages to their infrastructure, cities, and economy, not to mention the loss of life, would be devastating to their own country. It's not like sending a bunch of kids to die in a desert on the other side of the world. It would hit home and the leaders friends, families, and themselves would be in danger. They know it.

Most Americans take a very ethnocentric view of the world. We(myself included) think that the U.S. is the best country in the world. The problem is that too many of us (myself not included) think that everyone else should be just like us. Unfortunately, while they may want some of what we have they certainly don't want everything. Instead of pointing the finger at other countries who don't share all of our views and values we should try to have a bit of empathy and step into their shoes for a minute.

Think about it, how much does the U.S. spend on its military each year? Why is it ok for us to do it but when another country does they must be intent on taking over the world? How many times in the last 50 years has China sent troops into a foriegn country? How many times has the U.S.? We seem pretty intent on spreading democracy to the Middle East. So intent that we've invaded two soveriegn countries within the last 5 years. Once the Middle East becomes one big American miltary base what's to stop us from going further. Is it any wonder that China wants to build it's military?

[Psycho4Bud]

Oh, Justice will be served and the battle will rage.
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage
You'll be sorry that you messed with the US of A
'Cuz we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way.

Oh yeah sure that makes me feel better...
The American way is to sell weapons and kill? You sound proud.

You got people sneaking across the border to set off road side bombs and you point the finger at the U.S. .....come on now! By the way, I think Syria has been buying their toys from Russia and France! NOT the U.S.

[Psycho4Bud]

not only to sell weapons and kill...you gotta 'accidentally' train the very terrorists that are going to 'attack' you in this country...then protect and pay the 'terrorists'...so you have an excuse to nuke some people...

bush is on a 5 week vacation at his TV sound stage in Crawford where they can hide with no one around miles and miles...we're under very similar circumstances that led to the 9/11...

Are we still talking about the insurgents from SYRIA going into Iraq? Thats o.k., I haven't had a chance to smoke yet today...work ya know!

[pisshead]

meanwhile, there are hundreds of murders by mexican gangs...killing citizens of this country, cops, border patrol...blowing up cars...

imagine if "al-qaeda" was doing that, blowing up cars in the downtown of a US city...i can picture the headlines...nope, it's just those mexican gangs we 'accidentally' trained and armed. 99.9% of it never makes the nightly news...my brother was a border patrol agent...most people have no idea what's going on on our border...but they know all about syria and iran...

[Psycho4Bud]

Ever hear the term "keeping up with the Jones" ? It's all about saving face which is very big in Chinese/Taiwanese (pretty much all Asian) culture.

China is a huge country with a rapidly growing economy but a military which is sorely lacking, at least compared to the U.S. It's an embarassment to be this giant superpower with a shitty miltary so they build it up. Doesn't neccessarily mean they wil use it. They just want to be able to say they can. Kind of like owning a Hummer. How many people who own them would ever risk a scratch by taking them off road. But they sure look impressive(at least the owners think so) and its nice to know they could go off road if they wanted to but really who will.


If ya got a 4x4 you play with it...unless your a yuppie!
They had a military mind of more men was better. Guess what? It don't work today and they realize it. THAT's why their changing stratagies, not just to have it around. Get real!

As far as Taiwan is concerned, this seems to be an issue that is of more concern to us than most Taiwanese or Chinese. There's a lot of posturing in the name of saving face but its unlikely that either side will do anything. Taiwan companies invest billions of $ in Mainland China each year. Why would they do this if they thought war was a strong possibility within the next few years?

Another history major! O.K., the Taiwan people want to become one with mother China, it's the U.S. blocking it!

My companies headquarters is in Taiwan, with offices in Shanghai, Beijing, HK, and Chengdu. I speak with these people daily. None of the people in Taiwan that I work with actually support declaring independence. They know it would be suicide. Most are actually very vocal in their disagreement with their current governments posturing. And, while most mainland Chinese that I know will be more than happy to state that Taiwan is actually just another province of China none support any kind of military action to support their claim.

Maybe they're the minority? NO, that could never be!

As I've mentioned before, China (and Taiwan) is doing very well right now. They don't want to screw it up. China isn't some rogue state with a psychotic dictator who doesn't care if his country is wiped out. They know that any war with Taiwan or the U.S would be fought on their own ground. Even if nukes weren't used the damages to their infrastructure, cities, and economy, not to mention the loss of life, would be devastating to their own country. It's not like sending a bunch of kids to die in a desert on the other side of the world. It would hit home and the leaders friends, families, and themselves would be in danger. They know it.

Damn right they know it! Go into google search under china border disbutes, find out how well your precious China gets along with its neighbors. The only ones they sign any type of agreements with are the ones that could cook their asses with a nuke. FACT!

Most Americans take a very ethnocentric view of the world. We(myself included) think that the U.S. is the best country in the world. The problem is that too many of us (myself not included) think that everyone else should be just like us. Unfortunately, while they may want some of what we have they certainly don't want everything. Instead of pointing the finger at other countries who don't share all of our views and values we should try to have a bit of empathy and step into their shoes for a minute.

I don't consider us perfect and I surely don't see them as such. They have different cultures and beliefs and I don't think that I, or we, should shove our ways down anyones throat. But I'll be damned if we should let some punk bitch country like Afghanistan do to us what was done!

Think about it, how much does the U.S. spend on its military each year? Why is it ok for us to do it but when another country does they must be intent on taking over the world? How many times in the last 50 years has China sent troops into a foriegn country? How many times has the U.S.? We seem pretty intent on spreading democracy to the Middle East. So intent that we've invaded two soveriegn countries within the last 5 years. Once the Middle East becomes one big American miltary base what's to stop us from going further. Is it any wonder that China wants to build it's military?

Fact is the U.S. is the military top dog. What does it mean to be top dog? Everyone with an agenda wants to knock ya off the top. Football superbowl, baseball.... you name the sport and the goal is to knock out last years champs and not just beat but humiliate! Don't think we should invest in the latest and greatest of technologies...get serious!

We invaded the soveriegn country of Afghanistan? So you must believe that the WTC fell down all by itself to! Iraq defied U.N. resolutions but the fucking French, Germans, Russians, and your precious China all loved the kick backs!

Oh well, you got your opinion and I got mine. We can both state them without fear of being arrested. Isn't America great!

[Psycho4Bud]

meanwhile, there are hundreds of murders by mexican gangs...killing citizens of this country, cops, border patrol...blowing up cars...

imagine if "al-qaeda" was doing that, blowing up cars in the downtown of a US city...i can picture the headlines...nope, it's just those mexican gangs we 'accidentally' trained and armed. 99.9% of it never makes the nightly news...my brother was a border patrol agent...most people have no idea what's going on on our border...but they know all about syria and iran...

There are 950,000 gang bangers in the U.S. ....and did I say that we live in a completely safe country. NO! We have internal terrorists also. But I sure ain't going to blame the government for supplying the cops guns if a banger takes out his hate on a cop. See the similarity?