today's pix hps/mh side by side, bending

[latewood]

I thought that there was a difference between vertical and horizontal bulbs/lamps
I thought you had to hang a horizontal bulb horizontally and a vertical bulb vertically

[HARDDON]

Some bulbs are UNIVERSAL other are not.

Do yours specifically state horizontal only?

My bulbs came HORIZONTAL ONLY, so I went to The Home Depot and jsut swapped out the HPS and MH and used the universal ones I got there....the ones that came with my unit are put away somewhere for a rainy day I guess.

Either way, take a horizontal ONLY bulb and use twisty tie to keep it as such. A thin strip of water heater blanket between the bulb and the twisty tie plastic keeps it from melting on the bulb.

Or, wrap a few layers of the aluminum vent tape to prevent bulb melting the plastic.

I have done both.

[latewood]

got a couple pix of opened area and tubs
1. pots/tubs
2.backed up a couple of steps.
As far as the lights,
I am going to open them up later on tonight,usually lights out at 2330
thanks, I really thought I needed to do something to fatten the buds...

[HARDDON]

If you wanna get serious about getting thicker buds....you need to get serious about your reflectivity.

Now that I see more of your space, I would estimate you are running less than 60% reflection.

Prolly too late to really change this grow and the results by doing anything else other than getting the light OUT and about...

But before your next grow, lets get serious about light reflection.....

That will fatten the buds up the way you want

Right now you just have too many light leakage issues to deal with in the middle of flower...but I know this space can be turned into a white diamond type of place.

I think other than that you got it all down.

People just underestimate what reflection does to the flowers later on.

[latewood]

I still have some panda left, and that shit is so easy to hang...not giving up yet!...wait and see what I've come up with since i am going to strip my lights...gonna tighten up the space a little and spread the plants a little to allow better light penetration; once I get lights modified, thanks... will post once I'm done...gotta go mow the grass!!!later

[latewood]

I spent the last 2 hours workin on clones, plastic modification, reflector removal...took some pics as per Harddon's request so here we go->->->->->
->1.here is the shot from preivous #19..pic3,
->->2.same side as before, plastic opened slightly,
->->->3.Fanhole. best I could do on short notice.
->->->->4.Inside on the other end looking back...hps now has no reflector!
Now we will see what happens...It looks good, but really hard to tell difference except I loosened up the foliage and widened the canopy, the whole canopy is Buds and they don't suck! I'm guessing I still have another month to finish. I know what I did that cost me shorter bushier plants, I also vegged these plants about 2 months. they were tall. but, I'm hoping this helps to finish them a little better...Thanks for the nudge. Harddon, that is all I needed to get off my ASS...I am going to do MH after lights out tonight!
.................peace.later

[HARDDON]

You will see a load of difference once the MH is set free also

Nice to see you get off your lazy ass

Your ass will thank you as will your plants

[HARDDON]

Next, you need to work on reflecting the ceiling.

The horizontal position is doing a great job of lighting your ceiling.

Also, you have your plants on top off some rectangular tub lids....how is the light supposed to bounce back up to the underside of the buds if its trapped by plastic tub lids?

Also, you have a nice white tile floor...but it appears to have blue diamonds or something. Each cold spot like that sucks the light in and never lets it out.

Now I dont want you to think I am being picky....again....you have a great grow. By the same token, if you want fatter buds, you need to make this as perfect as you can... I suggest perhaps some wal mart white poster card paper stapled to the ceiling to help there, and, cover the blue diamonds with it as well.

Loose the tupperware lids so the light doesnt get trapped by those and make sure the 2 x 4 light eating wood is taken out of there as well.

Remember...without that reflector....you wont have as much radiant heat, so feel free to play with the height of the bulbs.

Please post some pics of the canopy once the MH is on them. I think you'll see a difference now in light and bud in a couple of weeks

Nice chatting with you

[latewood]

Yeah, I know that the bottom is still open...the lids or tupperware stuff is catching excess water... not there for reflection... you see I have plants that I topped and plants that I didn't(MONGO) and hydro plants that are taller for 2 reasons taller tubs and well, hydro...that is why I started bending...I couldn't afford to do everything properly, but I've made it this far, thanks to some new friends here and OG, and an ASS of WORK!!! now this new grow..I'm going to recirculate...bought me a 600 gph pump and I'magonna havasomfun...no more backbreakin' water totin' crap...I'm gonna RO right to a T w/double valves/one for drinking-one to the main res-pump to recirc dwc and spray sprinklers system...I'm gonna call it "Mongo's Turbo Hydro Garden"
Well I got the MH down. It's lights out and I am letting it cool.later

[HARDDON]

I like you latewood.

I bet you'd be fun to get stoned with.

always wantin to grow and smoke....

ONe day we gona hook up and fire us up some stuf and get high and sit around and look dumb

Where abouts are you..in the U.S.?