Alien Invasion

[bhallg2k]

yeh that's true. but at what cost? it drives down the wages in order to balance. the illegals will work dirt cheap but what about the mom an' pop american worker?

My point wasn't to defend illegal aliens. Not at all.

I was just saying that really no one really cares about this issue, despite what they may say. It's a ridiculous right wing, oddly patriotic wedge-issue and nothing else. Companies get employees who will work for substantially less with no benefits and in terrible conditions. Then consumers get cheaper goods and services as a result. Sure, it's morally questionable but who's complaining about that?

Even the "security" arguments against the practice don't make sense. Last time I checked, the terrorists who got into America did so legally.

If Republicans, or Democrats for that matter, were serious about this "problem," they'd press their rich, corporate donors to stop hiring illegal aliens and this would stop. I guarantee that people wouldn't stream over the border illegally if there wasn't a paycheck involved. But we all know that ain't gonna happen.

I just think the whole thing is funny. High comedy in fact. And W's solution is the best of all. Amnesty: illegals get to stay and keep working on the cheap; a massively appeasable solution for his corporate cronies and an entirely new base of voters to lie to. It's just perfect.

[Psycho4Bud]

Is it completely up to the Government, we have power also. Read this:
http://apmp.berkeley.edu/APMP/pubs/i...gle040302.html

Do you really care about the issue? Don't buy anything with the Tyson food label! Don't like a politician, vote em' out. Don't like a companies practices, don't give them your cash.

[nicholasstanko]

My point wasn't to defend illegal aliens. Not at all.

I was just saying that really no one really cares about this issue, despite what they may say. It's a ridiculous right wing, oddly patriotic wedge-issue and nothing else. Companies get employees who will work for substantially less with no benefits and in terrible conditions. Then consumers get cheaper goods and services as a result. Sure, it's morally questionable but who's complaining about that?

Even the "security" arguments against the practice don't make sense. Last time I checked, the terrorists who got into America did so legally.

If Republicans, or Democrats for that matter, were serious about this "problem," they'd press their rich, corporate donors to stop hiring illegal aliens and this would stop. I guarantee that people wouldn't stream over the border illegally if there wasn't a paycheck involved. But we all know that ain't gonna happen.

I just think the whole thing is funny. High comedy in fact. And W's solution is the best of all. Amnesty: illegals get to stay and keep working on the cheap; a massively appeasable solution for his corporate cronies and an entirely new base of voters to lie to. It's just perfect.

sad but true

[BlueCat]

Is it completely up to the Government, we have power also. Read this:
http://apmp.berkeley.edu/APMP/pubs/i...gle040302.html

Do you really care about the issue? Don't buy anything with the Tyson food label! Don't like a politician, vote em' out. Don't like a companies practices, don't give them your cash.

Great post!

[Torog]

You know Torog your opinion does not mean a damn thing to me. You can spit your neocon bullshit all you want. It is just that bullshit.
You can't be happy letting me have my opinion and you yours. You can't be civil. Gentleman my ass. You always have some smart ass remark.

You are so clueless. You continually complain about liberals while supporting the Neoliberals and their wars. NEWSFLASH:They are both cut from the same cloth.

You think tacking a flag over your trailer door makes you are great American. You follow blindly without question. You don't know the corporations running our government or how they are tied into war. You have not even bothered to look have you? Do you even keep up with the lobbyist?
Have you read about Dyncorp, Unnocal, Halliburton, Lockheed, Brown and Root,Diebold?
DO you know who is running them or who benefits from their profit?
YOU can't possibly think that is not an important issue.

I am sick of trying to be civil to you. Every post I make you follow behind with the liberals are out to get us....well it is the neoliberals and you are helping them, so get it straight.

Facts are Bush does allow Hispanics to get their citizenship if they will fight for the USA. They are joining in large numbers and they are dying in large numbers. The immigration in this country is as high as it was during Ellis Island thanks to Bush. We don't have the resources to support them thanks to BUSH, and thanks to YOU.

Bush gives millions to start a head start program for 4 year olds in Iraq but cuts the funds for head start in his own country. I guess American 4 year old don't matter.
Do you loyalties lie with Iraq, Saudi, Israel or AMERICA? Its OK Americans don't matter.... all that matters is oil and selling arms.

You can call yourself a great American if it makes you feel better about yourself, but you are living in a fantasy world. Suffocate in that neoliberal box of yours Torog go ahead let them win. There's no fool like an old fool.

The fact that our country is run by a handful of corporations and the line between those corporations and our military gets more blurred each day alludes you.
As far as I am concerned if you support George Bush you are a traitor to your country and everything that it stands for.

You can't even admit when one of those assholes sells out his own countrymen, like Karl Rove...you said; "oh I think that is just a Dem plant story." The fucking traitor is caught, red handed in a lie even the CIA said he was told Plume was under cover. Keep kissing their ass, Torog, that's what a weak man would do. It takes a real man to stand up for his country. It takes a real man to go against the grain of the establishment. I think you have clearly established you are not up for the job.


You live in a paranoid state of mind, I have read you freeper posts..."oh no my uncle, cousin, whatever lives by a nuclear plant, I'm scared, how far will the fall out be"
You are so typical of the uneducated, paranoid hayseed, the rest of the world makes fun of. Your opinion really isn't worth much. If you are against one of my posts that is just a guarantee to me that I am on the right track.

I have tried to be patient with you in hopes you could step outside the box long enough to get a grip on what is happening to our country. I thought since you raised a level headed daughter you can't be all bad. I was going to one of hr websites even before I stated posting here.
I bet you did not raise her did you? That would explain a lot.

So you just wave your flag and pretend you are this great father and a great moral individual, while talking about controlling your children, and shooting immigrants that cross illegally. Continue to claim Christianity while calling all Saudi men weak individuals, or little men that can easily be beat up. You are such a fine example of a Christian aren't you? Hypocrites like you are why I stopped going to church.

You can call yourself a great American if it makes you feel better about yourself, but you are living in a fantasy world. Suffocate in that neoliberal box of yours Torog go ahead let them win. There's no fool like an old fool.


You are just mad because, your little worship Torog plan did not work. We give you a few compliments about being a man for apologizing and it goes to your head. It was almost comical watching you puff up..
You thought you would attack Hardon for his plant names and the women on the blog would all flock to you.

Help Help Torog save us from the nasty words

Torog------------------------------------------>white horse--------------------------------------------------->

Please Torog come save us poor weak women.

"There's no need to fear....Torog is here"!....
OH MY HERO......
give me a break!

take some if that spare time of yours and instead of waiting by the mailbox for your welfare check go back to school.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4804.htm

http://www.reflector.com/news/conten..._WAR_DEAD.html

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1991

Howdy Blue Cat,

Well daggum..I'm glad that I know how ya really feel about me..lol.

You take the stands that you do,because it's all about hating Bush and the right-wing..now is not the time,when we are in the midst of a war,to try and bring down the country..but for some reason,you want to ..even if it means that the enemies of America and the Free World,succeed in killing many more innocent folks. I find your actions to be traitorous and contrary to American ideals of freedom and justice for all. I don't know about you..but 9/11/01,changed me..I'm sick and tired of excusing the actions of those opposed to freedom for all,I'm mad as hell and I don't think that America should take this crap anymore..it's time to teach all of our enemies a lesson..that they will never forget. Is it time to finally say..that this is about vengance ? I know that vengance is God's to mete out..but I also believe,that this is a just war,that Christians can fight..and if it be God's Will..we will win.

I'll have you know,that I did mostly raise my daughter by myself,her mother,was not very good at mothering,in fact,her mother was so bad at it,that I had to take my daughter and finish raising her,myself..I've been a single dad,for many years. It's my daughter,who lives near a nuclear plant and I'm not paranoid to worry about her safety,in that regard..that plant is vulnerable to hurricane and tornadic damage,and all nuclear plants,are potential terrorist targets.

I have absolutley no desire for anyone to 'worship' me..that ain't why I'm here,I'm here to counter the Left and I don't expect to make any friends because of that. I have changed since the posts that you read at FR,I try not to be so demeaning to other folks,I'd rather git them to open up and share their thought and opinions,than shut them down with insults,which is the path that you are taking in regards to me,as I expected that you would,because such,is the wont of a liberal mind-set.

You damage what credibility that you have,when you continue to call me an 'ignorant,uneducated,hay-seed'..I may not have as much education as you,but at least I got the common sense to respond to the attack on America,as a citizen/soldier..and not as a politically-correct drone of failed policies..which got us to where we are now,thanx to the pro-arab,anti-Israel stance,of the Clinton's.

The Democratic party,is where it's at today,because liberals like you,don't give a dang about anyone else's opinion..especially if they live in fly-over country. I wish that I could be on the front-lines in Iraq,but I can't..I'd rather be there,fighting the terrorists,than argueing with terrorist appeasers,such as yourself.

Have a good one ...

[BlueCat]

Not reading it, I skimmed the first few lines Torog...
Well daggum..I'm glad that I know how ya really feel about me..lol.

You take the stands that you do,because it's all about hating Bush and the right-wing

YOu are still making this a dem vs. gop thing it is not...you aren't smart enough to see that. same old crap,clinton,liberals,blablabla

I have seen your true colors. Read enough of your posts at the free republic to know what you are really about. You are a neoliberal.

You are not a good person.
You are a waste of good time....
You are the kind of creep I avoid....
I am not going to post your personal life but I have done some digging.
you lie....

I'll respect your rights and just not read a thread if I see it is yours.
My mother told me not to talk to creeps like you.
Have a good one...

[Torog]

Not reading it, I skimmed the first few lines Torog...
Well daggum..I'm glad that I know how ya really feel about me..lol.

You take the stands that you do,because it's all about hating Bush and the right-wing

YOu are still making this a dem vs. gop thing it is not...you aren't smart enough to see that. same old crap,clinton,liberals,blablabla

I have seen your true colors. Read enough of your posts at the free republic to know what you are really about. You are a neoliberal.

You are not a good person.
You are a waste of good time....
You are the kind of creep I avoid....
I am not going to post your personal life but I have done some digging.
you lie....

I'll respect your rights and just not read a thread if I see it is yours.
My mother told me not to talk to creeps like you.
Have a good one...

Howdy Blue Cat,

My mother told me not to marry a woman like you..so I reckon that makes us even.

I cannot count,the number of times that liberals have given up argueing with me and called me a liberal..lol. Quiting..is the sure sign of a liberal mind-set,and despite all of your objections to the contrary, that there is no such thing as a liberal mind-set and a conservative mind-set,as well as other types of mind-sets..it just so happens that liberal mind-sets are the greatest problem that America faces culturally..at this time.

Congratulations ! You've just made it to the very long list of liberals who have given up trying to defeat me..and whom never will..and as I told you earlier..you cannot judge me accurately based on my posts at FR,my attitude has changed alot since then,and I always knew that I was preaching to the 'choir'. I am somewhat curious,as to any other areas of my life,outside FR,that you've investigated..you could send me an email letting me know just what exactly,you've found out about me,that makes me a 'neo-liberal' .

Have a good one....

[amsterdam]

Liberalism: The haunting fear someone,somewhere,can help themselves.

[BlueCat]

not a liberal torog A NEOLIBERAL...maybe you should look it up. Maybe you both should look up the term...

this is a good thesis paper on it. I doubt seriously you will take the time to read it but I will provide it for you non the less.

http://www.econ.usyd.edu.au/wos/worksite/lafer.html

[amsterdam]

liberalism is dying in this country,its outdated.thats why liberals cant win an election.the majority of america view liberal dems as cowards with no ideas,no plans and no solutions.