thanks Bill, I think the whole deal is kinda neat...Yeah I agree, I learned alot and I was on the right track, then I read Zandor and your right, I feel totally confident in his advice...I read him quite a bit before I started posting...then I narrowed down who I could talk to here to build relationships of knowledge...there are quite a few with good grows going and alot of important imformation/concepts being ironed out here. It is funnythough, it seems like there are alot less posters than before, but the quality has gone up for the most part, since I joined anyway, IMHO