we're all lunatics.. MaryJ/ its just how well we deal with things that places us on one side of the fence or the other,, and there's always crazy people in the Asylum.. staff and patient alike // leaning more towards staff than patient as I found some of the patients I've have met over the years made more sense than the other staff nurses I had been working with saying that I was involved in the setting up of a unit for patients with organic impairment which excluded them from other care settings due to their behavouirs we managed the ward of 30+ highly volitile patients with the Min amount of medication needed..using patient centered approuch giving the patient the run of the ward (under supervision) the incident levels dropped by approx.40% in the first year As for the SHOCK treatment well ECT. electro,convulsive, therapy. god knows what it does to the brain although I have seen cases where it appears to make improvements in the patients state of mental health;;;; Life is'nt Personel say I and I