Murderers Must Die: Judeo-Christian Values

[nicholasstanko]

that might very be true, I think in some extreme cases, it might be justifiable to ahve the death penalty.

How extreme can cold-blooded murder get?


but that argument isn't effective to support the death penalty. It's not murderers who are packing up the prisons, it's the guys who get arrested for selling or smoking weed and other such kind of 'criminals'. Killing all the murderers won't even come close to solving that problem.

It wouldnt solve the problem but it wont contribute either. if you just took out the murderers thats millions of dollars that doesnt have to go to food and health care and shelter.

[highinspain]

Isnt it a shame we need to look back 225 years to find a qualifed opinion, why with 300 million people can not one or two voices in current life stand up and create a true following of like minded individuals, to effectively, and with responsibility for individual rights, run the US...

It makes me sad that the experiment called America somehow got so far of the path it was on 30 years ago..let alon the path it was on 225 years ago.

[bhallg2k]

why cant we just kill murderers?

I like to avoid the religious side of this debate. So my argument is this: it costs too much. Jailing someone for life (well, 40 years at least) is cheaper than executing someone.

Prisons are ridiculously efficient - some would say inhumanely efficient - and the costs associated with food, clothing, health care and shelter for a prisoner do not approach the legal costs of the mandatory appeals process for those convicted of capital crimes and sentenced to death.

[F L E S H]

Isnt it a shame we need to look back 225 years to find a qualifed opinion, why with 300 million people can not one or two voices in current life stand up and create a true following of like minded individuals, to effectively, and with responsibility for individual rights, run the US...

It makes me sad that the experiment called America somehow got so far of the path it was on 30 years ago..let alon the path it was on 225 years ago.

Truer words haven't been spoken... or written, at least, in this forum.

[Nullific]

Im with Bhallg2k, I had to write an essay on capital punishment a few years ago. At first I thought the same, murderers are useless and only consume space and waste resources.
Well then I found out that it isn't as if those sentenced to death are shortly thereafter executed, not at all. Such convictions go through numerous appeals that cost the state money and back up the judicial system. After at least a few years of that the convict sits on death row for another decade or longer before they are finally executed.

[nicholasstanko]

I like to avoid the religious side of this debate. So my argument is this: it costs too much. Jailing someone for life (well, 40 years at least) is cheaper than executing someone.

Prisons are ridiculously efficient - some would say inhumanely efficient - and the costs associated with food, clothing, health care and shelter for a prisoner do not approach the legal costs of the mandatory appeals process for those convicted of capital crimes and sentenced to death.

How much would it cost for a million bullets to the backs of millions of heads? You may deem me coy, but hear me out. Why don't we just blow a hole in the backs of their heads? its cheap and our executions are never televised anyway.

it makes no sense to keep these guys alive. if you erase religion (which we should be doing) then there's no other incentive. I'm not taling about some pot smoker im talking about a repeated violent rapist or a child molester or a depraved serial killer. wake up people. the only reason we dont have mass executions is because the gov. gets prisoners to work for 20 cents an hour. that's state-sponsored slave labour. that's alot of jobs taken from guys already getting fucked over by the outsourcing to china.


kill the fucks.


all hail retribution

[nicholasstanko]

and btw, i also thin the death sentence should be carried out within a few weeks. none of this death row bullshit


lets roll

[Nullific]

Are you fucking kidding me?
You want to omit an array of legal processes and safe gaurds so that the state can simply convict a man (or women) of a crime they deem punishable by death and slaughter him (or her) by means of a bullet in the head?

This begs another question, who is going to pull the trigger?
Im not religious in the least bit, but I still see a major problem with convicting an alleged criminal, then swiftly shooting them in the back of the head.

There are numerous other points one could make, such as that killing a person for a crime does not reverse the damage they have done. It also allows them a quick and easy escape, a physical death. As opposed to having them sit desolate and regretful, confined in a prison cell for the rest of their human lives, a more psychological death.

[NowhereMan]

Are you fucking kidding me?
You want to omit an array of legal processes and safe gaurds so that the state can simply convict a man (or women) of a crime they deem punishable by death and slaughter him (or her) by means of a bullet in the head?

This begs another question, who is going to pull the trigger?
Im not religious in the least bit, but I still see a major problem with convicting an alleged criminal, then swiftly shooting them in the back of the head.

There are numerous other points one could make, such as that killing a person for a crime does not reverse the damage they have done. It also allows them a quick and easy escape, a physical death. As opposed to having them sit desolate and regretful, confined in a prison cell for the rest of their human lives, a more psychological death.

lets ask Charlie Manson wtf the deal is?

[bhallg2k]

Ok, here's non-religious argument #2: judges and juries aren't infallible. It's been shown on more than one occasion that innocent people have been put to death in this country. The former governor of Illinois George Ryan (a Republican), in fact, instituted a moratorium against the death penalty because a man named Anthony Porter was exonerated after spending 17 years on death row. It was found after further investigation that as many as 13 people sentenced to die in Illinois were completely innocent.

Until you can absolutely, 100% guarantee that only those who are truly guilty are the ones put to death, I don't see how it's worth it to take the chance.