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07-18-2005, 07:26 PM#1
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FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN
how dare these eye witnesses of the shoot down question the feds' authority. what treason!
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[align=left]FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN[/align]
[align=left]Eyewitness Reports at Odds With Official Scenario[/align]
http://www.americanfreepress.net/ass...ges/rss202.gif [align=left]By Christopher Bollyn[/align]
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[align=left]INDIAN LAKE, Pennsylvania??Eyewitness testimonies have generally been excluded from the official version of 9-11. In the Shanksville area, where many residents believe Flight 93 was shot down, there are scores of eyewitnesses whose testimonies contradict the government??s claim that courageous passengers fought hijackers, forcing the jetliner to crash rather than be flown into a building. [/align]
[align=left]Some local residents here are deeply offended by the official explanation of what supposedly happened to United Airlines Flight 93, calling it a patriotic pack of lies. [/align]
[align=left]Fearful of retribution from federal agents, many eyewitnesses who spoke with American Free Press asked that their names not be published.[/align]
[align=left]While differing on some details of the plane said to be Flight 93, which passed over Lambertsville, eyewitnesses agree that unexplained military aircraft were in the immediate vicinity when a huge explosive ??fireball? occurred at the reclaimed coal mine near Shanksville.[/align]
[align=left]Viola Saylor saw Flight 93 pass very low over her house in Lambertsville, which is a mile north of the official crash site. She was in her backyard when she heard a very loud noise and looked up to find herself ??nose to nose? with Flight 93, which she says was flying ??upside down? as it passed overhead. It was blue and silver, she said, and glistened in the sunlight. It was so low that it rustled the leaves of her 100-foot maple tree in her yard. [/align]
[align=left]It flew southeastward for about three more seconds and even gained elevation before it crashed over the hill with a ??thud,? she said.[/align]
[align=left]??It was really still for a second,? she said. ??Then all of a sudden? she saw a ??very quiet? and low-flying white ??military? plane coming from the area of the crash site, flying toward the northwest.[/align]
[align=left]??It was flying very fast, like it was trying to get out of here,? she said. ??A second or two? behind the ??military? plane were two other planes, which Saylor described as ??normal? planes. [/align]
[align=left]Shown a photograph of a Fairchild A-10 Thunderbolt II, a low-flying combat aircraft commonly referred to as a ??Warthog,? Saylor identified it as the military plane she had seen. She said she recognized the two engines on the rear and the distinctive shape of the cockpit and nose of the plane.[/align]
[align=left]Similar eyewitness reports of military planes over Shanksville on 9-11 remain censored by the U.S. corporate media, although they were reported in two leading British newspapers.[/align]
[align=left]Susan McElwain, a local teacher, also reported seeing a white ??military? plane at the scene of the crash before witnessing an explosion. Ms. Mcelwain told The Daily Mirror what she saw:[/align]
[align=left]??It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50 feet above my mini-van,? she recalled. ??It was so low I ducked instinctively. It was traveling real fast, but hardly made any sound.[/align]
[align=left]??Then it disappeared behind some trees. A few seconds later I heard this great explosion and saw this fireball rise up over the trees, so I figured the jet had crashed. The ground really shook. So I dialed 911 and told them what happened.[/align]
[align=left]??I??d heard nothing about the other attacks and it was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realized it wasn??t the white jet, but Flight 93.[/align]
[align=left]??I didn??t think much more about it until the authorities started to say there had been no other plane. The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down.[/align]
[align=left]??There??s no way I imagined this plane??it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.[/align]
[align=left]??It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side,? Ms. McElwain said. ??I haven??t found one like it on the Internet. It definitely wasn??t one of those executive jets.[/align]
[align=left][However,] the FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.?[/align]
[align=left]The plane Ms. McElwain describes is similar to the Warthog seen by Saylor over Lambertsville.[/align]
[align=left]??Then [FBI agents] changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000 feet up,? she said. ??But I saw it, and it was there before the crash, and it was 40 feet above my head. They did not want my story??nobody here did.?[/align]
[align=left]The U.S. media has only reported what Bill Crowley, FBI spokesman from Pittsburgh, said about other planes in the area: ??Two other airplanes were flying near the hijacked United Airlines jet when it crashed, but neither had anything to do with the airliner??s fate.?[/align]
[align=left]In an apparent slip of the tongue, Crowley said one of the planes, ??a Fairchild Falcon 20 business jet,? had been directed to the crash site to help rescuers. The Falcon 20, however, is made by Dassault of France while Fairchild made the A-10 Thunderbolt II, the plane described by Ms. Mcelwain and identified by other eyewitnesses.[/align]
[align=left]The Daily American of nearby Somerset did not want Ms. McElwain??s story. In fact, the local paper has never reported that at least 12 local residents saw several unexplained aircraft at the time of the crash.[/align]
[align=left]Asked why the paper has not mentioned these eyewitness reports, managing editor Brian P. Whipkey told AFP ??They could not be substantiated.?[/align]
[align=left]THE SCREAMING THING[/align]
[align=left]At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing ??a screaming thing? that ??screeched? as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.[/align]
[align=left]Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a ??very loud screeching sound? passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.[/align]
[align=left]??It was like nothing I??ve ever heard before,? Smith said.[/align]
[align=left]The explosion that followed sounded like a ??sonic boom,? he said. Smith and others said they felt the shock wave from the explosion.[/align]
[align=left]Smith said he was used to seeing a variety of military aircraft from the nearby Air National Guard bases in Johnstown and Cumberland, Md.[/align]
[align=left]Another groundskeeper said he saw a silver plane pass overhead toward the crash site from the southeast after hearing the loud ??screeching? sound. The large silver plane was at an elevation of several thousand feet, he said.[/align]
[align=left]A local veteran who flew combat helicopters in the Vietnam War told AFP that the high-pitched screeching sound was indicative of a missile.[/align]
[align=left]Shown a photo of an A-10 Warthog, the groundskeeper identified it as the kind of plane that circled the crash site at a very low altitude three times before flying away. He recognized the two vertical fins on the rear of the plane. ??Nobody was interested in what we saw,? he said. ??They didn??t even ask us.?[/align]
[align=left]Mobile telephones and satellite televisions in the Indian Lake area did not work at the time of the crash, he said. Paul Muro was in his yard in Lambertsville when Flight 93 passed overhead. Muro, who lives a half-mile closer to the crash site than Saylor, said the plane was flying rightside up and normally, although it was very low.[/align]
[align=left]Muro told AFP that he also saw a large silver plane approaching from the south, the opposite direction of Flight 93, above the crash site at the time of the explosion. [/align]
[align=left]The silver plane then turned and headed back in the direction from which it had come, he said.[/align]
[align=left]Tom Spinelli works at the Indian Lake Marina. After 9- 11, he told a Pittsburgh television news reporter about the unexplained aircraft he saw. ??I saw the white plane,? he said.[/align]
[align=left]??It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something,? he said. ??I saw it before and after the crash.?[/align]
[align=left]AFP visited the marina and asked Spinelli about the planes he saw on 9-11.[/align]
[align=left]??I??m sorry,? Spinelli said. ??No comment?? is all I can say.?[/align]
[align=left]An Indian Lake resident told AFP that federal agents had visited the marina after Spinelli had spoken to the Pittsburgh news channel, TV 4, and told him to stop talking about what he saw.[/align]
[align=left]Local firefighters were also told not to talk about what they had seen at the crash site.[/align]
[align=left](Issue #30, July 25, 2005)[/align]
[align=left]Not Copyrighted. Readers can reprint and are free to redistribute - as long as full credit is given to American Free Press - 645 Pennsylvania Avenue SE, Suite 100 Washington, D.C. 20003[/align]
[align=left][/align]pisshead Reviewed by pisshead on . FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN how dare these eye witnesses of the shoot down question the feds' authority. what treason! http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/flight_93.html Rating: 5
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07-18-2005, 07:28 PM#2
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FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN
Former Vietnam Combat and Commericial Pilot Firm Believer 9/11 Was Inside Government Job
Greg Szymanski | July 17 2005
There was no fooling former Air Force and commercial pilot Russ Wittenberg the morning of 9/11. He knew it was an inside job from the get-go, knowing the ??big boys?? were up to the same dirty tricks they played in the Kennedy assassination and Pearl Harbor.
The government may have fooled millions of Americans with its cockamamie official story, but the former fighter pilot who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam and who sat for 35 years in the cockpit for Pan Am and United, wasn??t one of them.
Now, almost four years later, Wittenberg is still shaking his head in disbelief more than ever, saying the country he loved and fought so bravely 40 years ago has fallen in the deep, dark and sinister hands of fascist leaders who are quickly turning America into a military state.
Although back in the beginning he seemed like a lone wolf in the hen house, he??s noticed, especially in the last six months, more Americans waking up to the cold reality that the U.S. government staged 9/1l, started an illegal war in Iraq and basically is criminally responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of innocent lives here and abroad.
Even though it??s a hard pill for some to swallow, Wittenberg says Americans need to ??wake up and wake up fast,? holding those in government responsible even though it may mean a total makeover of the American political system.
And for these despicable actions now taking place in the name of freedom, the former F-100 Vietnam fighter pilot, who knows what it??s like to be in harms way, directed a little military jab toward the Commander and Chief, saying: ??Oh, why doesn??t he wake up and just fall on his sword.?
Talking about his obvious disgust for the Bush administration, he bundles 9/11 into the neo con??s ??neat little contrived war package,? saying it was the lynch pin needed to usher in a state of constant fear, a climate of war and a perfect setting for the unconstitutional Patriot Act and eventual martial law.
??If you would have told me back in the 1970s this was going to happen to America, I would have never imagined it. It??s just not the same country I grew up in as all our Constitutional freedoms are being stripped away right before our very eyes,? said Wittenberg in a telephone conversation from his home in Carefree Az., a picturesque and serene place on the map near Scottsdale.
??The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple. I also thoroughly went over the recent 9/11 Commission report, finding about 110 outright lies and numerous other half-truths and omissions in an obvious cover-up of not only the truth but of a criminal investigation.
??Condaleeza Rice lied through her teeth when she testified and if I would have had her on the stand for 10 minutes, I would have had her in tears.?
Concerning 9/11, Wittenberg knew right off the bat the hijackers - who couldn??t handle a Piper Cub - couldn??t fly the ??big birds? he flew for so many years, knowing the planes were also incapable of performing such high speed maneuvers as the government claimed.
He also knew the possibility of jet fuel bringing down the towers made no sense. In fact, he knew the whole 9/11 story made about as much sense as crossing the Atlantic in a row boat.
And right after 9/11 when it was unpopular and considered almost treasonous to question the government, Wittenberg became the first commercial airline pilot with experience flying the jets used in 9/11 to publicly denounce the government story.
Although speaking publicly on many occasions about the fictitious government account of 9/11, it wasn??t until Sept. 16, 2004, his controversial remarks aired on Wing TV, sparking a heated debate among pilots and others clinging to the flimsy government account.
Knowing the flight characteristics of the ??big birds? like the back of his hand, Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77could have ??descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon??s first floor wall without touching the lawn.?
Wittenberg claimed the high speed maneuver would have surely stalled the jetliner sending it into a nose dive, adding it was ??totally impossible for an amateur who couldn??t even fly a Cessna to maneuver the jetliner in such a highly professional manner, something Wittenberg said he couldn??t do with 35 years of commercial jetliner experience.
??For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible ?? there is not one chance in a thousand,? said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727??s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737??s through 767??s it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying.
??I had to be trained to use the new, computerized systems. I just couldn??t jump in and fly one,? he added.
Finding more inconsistencies with the government story about Flight 77, Wittenberg recalled the recent statements made by a flight controller on an ABC 20/20 television program three months ago.
??If you listened to her carefully only an experienced pilot probably would have known that what she was saying was scripted,? said Wittenberg. ??Remember the transponder was turned off on Flight 77 and when this occurs, all the particular flight data like air speed and even the plane??s flight identification goes with it.
??All that??s left on the controller??s screen is a green blip, that??s it. But here you have this flight controller on 20/20 saying she was tracking the flight with specific air speed and other coordinates which was totally impossible once the transponder was turned off. How would she even have known the flight number? The whole story is a pack of lies and this is just another example.?
And from the moment Wittenberg called attention to the lies, he??s been in the cross hairs defending his story, defending it by using a little bit of psychology, a lot of history and asking critics to answer questions before drawing conclusions.
??I??ve learned over the years, it??s hard to change anybody??s mind when they really aren??t listening,? said Wittenberg. ??So, I just decided to fire back a lot of questions to those people who believe the government story.
??I ask them explain how Building No.7 collapsed? I ask them why haven??t the ??black boxes? been recovered? I ask them to explain how jet fuel ?? fuel that burns cold not hot -- could bring down two high rise structures when more than 90% of the fuel on board burned outside the buildings??
And Wittenberg has hundreds of other tough questions ready, but said it??s also important to put 9/11 and the Iraq war in a historical prospective.
??Is 9/11 and the phony war on terror any different or more serious than Pearl Harbor and World War II?,? asks Wittenberg. ??The bottom line is all wars are contrived and it is these rich bankers and financiers who have pulled the strings and who have put these contrived events like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor into motion.?
Turning to the recent London bombings, Wittenberg said he??s tired of the ??talking heads?? trying to analyze how to counter terror when ??the real cause and effect issues? about the root problems with America and the world are being ignored.
??It??s simply bizarre. Maybe our one-sided foreign policy that keeps getting us into all this trouble around the world should be seriously questioned,? said Wittenberg. ??If we are really fighting terror, why are our borders just to the south completely wide open? It??s a joke.?
Claiming the entire neo con scenario now playing out in America and around the world is based on the attempt to establish a one world government controlled by a select few, he said it??s difficult to figure out their true motives, adding he can only offer an educated guess based on what he??s studied and read.
??Power corrupts, money isn??t enough and these people want total control,? added Wittenberg. ??These elites actually think they are better than everybody else and basically want power and control over the diminishing resources by creating a one world government.
Regarding another terror attack on American soil coming on the heels of the London bombings, he said ??it??s not if but when,? claiming the unconstitutional Patriot Act is waiting in the wings to silence those Americans who may not fall in line with the government??s eventual takeover.
??They passed it for a reason. The problem with our two party system is that the same group of gangsters controls both parties,? said Wittenberg, who didn??t vote for Bush or Kerry in the last election and was the former Arizona state chairman for Pat Buchanon??s failed presidential run in 2000.
Although Wittenberg remains politically active and abreast of world affairs, he has left the political forefront, trying instead to raise public awareness about the danger of the neo con agenda.
??More people are listening now, but it doesn??t surprise me that still a lot of people just don??t want to get involved, thinking things are just fine in America,? he added. ??These people are perfectly content to play golf, watch the ballgame and not get involved.?
Wittenberg, who retired the day before 9/11 having a strange and unexplainable premonition, said high gas prices have led him to sell his private plane, saying it was getting too expensive to even ??fly for fun?? anymore.
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07-18-2005, 08:23 PM#3
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FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN
Do you do anyhting else with your life but read about 9-11? What a sad, angry and lonely person you must be. I bet you are big fun at parties too.
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07-18-2005, 08:42 PM#4
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FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN
nope, not sad...not lonely...definitely not angry...i'm sure you could think of something else i might be, so you don't have to think what these eye witnesses said. former bush administration members, high level, have come forward saying the same things. ignore them though.
it concerns me greatly that our government might be lying about 9/11...and have lied openly about it dozens and dozens of times.
the sad thing, is that they can do this, but you care more about partying, which makes it easier to get away with. i can't help it if you don't care. just because you don't care doesn't mean there aren't people that do. and i know a lot that actually care about their country.
bombing iraq doesn't keep you free, watching your local government and feds like a hawk and blowing the whistle on corruption and having a free, independent press keeps you free, and free speech...you fight for that at home.
people i know, poor and rich, i can talk with this about, and can give me back intelligent responses, even if they disagree. i can't even get that from you.
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07-18-2005, 09:03 PM#5
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FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN
wow, you're so quick to judge and jump to conclusions. do you know anything about pisshead? do you even know wht he looks like?
Originally Posted by potpimp
you sound like torog, making false assumptions about muslims.
Do you do anything with your life except criticise others for their viewpoints and opinions? What a close-minded, narrow and retarded person you must be. I bet you are big fun klan rallies.
see how my assumptions can paint you in a different light regardless of whether or not i have any fucking clue as to who you are?
all hail intolerance.
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07-18-2005, 09:43 PM#6
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this one was just off the wall. To many holes, especialy for you pisshead lol. Originally Posted by pisshead
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07-19-2005, 04:57 AM#7
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FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN
I am going to have to back on my vow to NOT post in this shitty section....
Pisshead, i know you will call this an "ad hominem attack" (lol)
You are so freaking delusional and paranoid. Once again, WHEN ARE THE ALIENS COMING????
Seriosly, its a big governemt cover up guys,.... Bush is an alien invader come to take our liberties away.... and o yeah, him and Karl Rove CAUSED 911 SINGLE HANDEDLY
Yep, thats right. Bush and Rove bought down all those planes by themselves! how you ask?
TELEKINESIS!
the governent has perfected it ages ago! But only to further take our freedoms away thats right!
ROFL pisshead, your always good for a laugh. (a worried laugh)
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07-19-2005, 07:02 AM#8
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FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN
I'm not usually one to buy into conspiracy theories. Just trying to grasp the things we are plainly told by the government and media is hard enough alone without letting my imagination run wild. However I sincerely believe that Flight 93 was shot down over Pennsylvania.
I don't need anyone to tell me why they think it was shot down. I came to that conclusion myself when they, the government mind you, told me that a 155' long, intact Boeing 757-222 crashed into the ground at 500 MPH and left a crater only 15' to 20' long and 8' to 10' deep leaving none of the large pieces of debris usually associated with similar plane crashes. That's all the information I needed to know that there's no way in hell that plane hit the ground in one piece.
I mean, honestly, what else do you need to know?\"The elephant has a thick skin, a head full of ivory, and as everyone who has seen a circus parade knows, proceeds best by grasping the tail of its predecessor.\" - Adlai Stevenson
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07-19-2005, 07:38 AM#9
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FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN
please, Id like to see your credentials in determining what is normal for a jet of that size weight speed, and the ground density, humidity level etc making a hole that size in the ground? Or at least some pretty close crashes and the aftermath...
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07-19-2005, 08:17 AM#10
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FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN
You mean to tell me that you think a 155' by 124' object, weighing in at 255,000 lbs (175 tons) slamming into the ground at 500 MPH would leave a hole only as big and as deep as the average back yard swimming pool? If you think Flight 93 crashed with no outside help, that's what you must conclude.
Don't obfuscate matter with ground density or humidity or whatever. Any intact aircraft that big, that heavy, moving that fast would gouge a massive crater even in the hardest concrete.
It's common sense.\"The elephant has a thick skin, a head full of ivory, and as everyone who has seen a circus parade knows, proceeds best by grasping the tail of its predecessor.\" - Adlai Stevenson
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