i have always had good luck with bagseed. the bud it comes from is usually some $20-30 a 1/4 weed, but the bud i get from it i sell for $80-100 a 1/4. this year i am gorwing some white strains along with my usuall bagseeds, and i have noticed that the bagseeds are much more viggorous than the whites. maybe they are too inbred, or maybe it's because their indoor strains and i am growing them outdoors, but i hope the quality of the buds makes up for the puney growth so far. the only time i grew other "real" strains was back when i could grow indoors and i had some NL from a friend who went to holland and it too grew pretty spindly during the veg phase, but blew up with super potent buds later.