did you read the long walkers yet ?? i think it was one of the bachman stories pretty good reading... that ogrish site is sick dude they had one of the beheadings from iraq on there last winter or spring.. people are getting more decadent every year.. it would be nice to see more sites like C.C.com and less sick ass depraved sites like ogrish.. but i doubt it's gonna go that way any time soon.. people who take pleasure in others suffering suck