im more of a redneck hippie.. i got an 11 yr old daughter and im of the belief that by the time most girls are 17 they are pretty much gonna do what they want when they want i dont necisarily like that but i think it is reality.. so you have to install any morals you want them to have at a younger age than 17.. i know most parents are freaked out when they find out there kids are doin the matress mambo but it is part of growing up.. my oldest sons mom just found a bunch used condoms in the bottom of his garbage can.. lil f#$%er is only 13 needless to say his mom is pissed and his daddy is proud and i sure if it was my daughter doin that at 13 id be pissed and her mom would be indifferant but what are ya gonna do i think thats just the way that kinda thing goe's