dont know dude im with you though when i was a kid i was happy just to take a walk in the woods or sit at the river or beach and watch the sunset or fish or hunt it takes a freakin crow bar to pry that kid of mine away from the phone and his play station and whats worse kids under 16 now cant hardly get a job any more no one will let a kid cut thier grass or shovel thier driveway any more for fear of a law suit all these enterainment distractions deff. are not doing kids any good