Quote Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Stedric,

Yup..you're right, the liberal Left,in America does support the terrorists,as for Bin Laden and saddam,they were clearly mistakes..even Americans are human,and prone to make mistakes.

Our soldiers,will never be a mirror-image of the terrorists,because we offer liberation and democracy..the terrorists,only offer death and oppression.

The differentiating factor,is Freedom on one side and oppression from the other..even if the terrorists were equivocally armed,they'd still only offer death and oppression.

Thanx for your kind words

Have a good one...
Hey Torog,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. The liberal left doesnt support terrorists. Dont call me a traitor to freedom but everyday I have less and less passion for fighting these guys.

You and i both know that a more diplomatic solution couldve been raised. We've been lied to time and time again by the bush administration. uranium in nigeria that never existed, bunkers with wmds that never existed intelligence reports that were falsified. we find out the lies over and over again but we do nothing because we obediently wait for the mainstream news to tell us what the right story is. when they dont report it, then we either forget or assume the whole idea was a sham.

We have like what? 20-30 troops/"jihadists" dying everyday now and for what? liberty and freedom that's covered in blood.

We got off on the wrong foot before but let me explain again in calmer terms.

You're sitting in your house and sudeenly a bomb rips through and your whole family is killed...you go into the streets and you see soldiers shooting off left right and centre...shooting at your friends mind you...no idea whats going on. you're only source of information is al-jazeera telling you that the americans have come to kill you and force you into christianity. who are you going to believe torog? the voice you've had since a child or some white guy with a huge gun shooting at people's houses? no disrespect to other ethnicities fighting the war for us though.

dont you see, torog? most of these guys are fighting to save their homes and their sovereignty just like the japanese kamikaze died and killed themselves to defend japan. what's the difference? the japanese army could afford nice expensive uniforms? were the japanese any more civil in their uniforms when alot of their soldiers raped nanking? i didnt notice any americans crying for justice when almost all of the commanders in charge of the japanese army got slaps on the wrist and the government to this day denies the full scope of what happened.

Sure there may have been "rape rooms" and secret torture chambers in iraq. yeh and so what? i guess israel doesnt have those and neither does egypt or saudi arabia. but yet we dont mind a nice comfy coalition with those guys.

This whole war was about consolidating power in the middle east. grabbing oil. why do you think that only two months prior to the invasion, an advisor had to tell Bush the difference between iraqi sunni's and kurds and ba'aths and shiites? THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DIDNT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IRAQI FACTIONS. you dont find that odd? i dont because i know it's because he never cared in the first place.

Why do you think that when american troops first rolled into iraq, they had no orders? you're military you know that with no orders you do nothing. they didnt stop the looting going on, but the genrals thought it would be a good idea to establish perimeters around the oil to protect it...but they were never ordered to. where do you think they got the idea that the oil was the most valuable asset and not the people they claimed to be liberating?

Look within yourself torog and have a good one.