FDA to declare safe meat and milk from clone animals

[nicholasstanko]

Well, nothing is 100% safe. But I fail to see why cloned meat should be any less safe than meat harvested the traditional way. The only real difference is in the means of conception. One difference of not is the apparent shortening of the ends of chromosomes, called telomeres, but it is not believed that these have any other effect than to possibly reduce longevity - natural telomere shortening seems to occur along with aging.

The method most widely employed for cattle, pigs, sheep and other large food animals in the US involves driving a short spike into the brain at a high velocity. This kills almost instantaneously. It is highly likely that the animal is dead before it can even feel anything. Despite its gruesome appearance, it's really about as humane as its possible to be.

True. I didnt know about the spike to the brain thing, but i really meant the way they are forced to live before death. Teeny tiny cages with no room to move. Imagine, it's almost as if it didnt matter whether or not they were born paralysed.

Also think about when an infection breaks out in say a chicken farm. Loads and loads of chicks and animals are just thrown into garbage bags alive and sent off to the incinerator or whatever they use to dispose of the bodies.

Not arguing, just expressing my thoughts on what i mean by inhumane treatment.

[nicholasstanko]

No. He said nothing about needing further research. He said only that he could not explain it in a few sentences; I did not ask him to. He can take as many sentences as he needs - I will read it. I also invited him to post links, if he could find them. He must have a reason for reaching the conclusion (or failing to reach the conclusion) he did. I explained my reasons, in considerable detail. I'm now asking the same of him.

So, what's your point again?

Yeh you're right. my bad on that one.

[nicholasstanko]

there's no point to it...it's unnecessary. go ahead and eat it all day long...i don't care, all i want to know is if what i'm eating is cloned or not...

it's like...why don't we start cloning trees and planting those...why? let's just use the trees we already have...

not to mention i don't trust the giant cloning/gm food corporations...and the current standard in the meat market, they way they're killed and what they're fed.

LOL. Have you ever eaten government cheese? And we want to trust those guys to make meat for us?

[Button Basher]

The method most widely employed for cattle, pigs, sheep and other large food animals in the US involves driving a short spike into the brain at a high velocity.

Eeew, what the hell? I never knew that. Better then throwing them head first into a giant mincing vat I guess.

Hmm, something to add while i'm here...

I admit I don't know myself the complications of cloning (should I? lol) but there's something kinda creepy about eating a cloned animal. They'll have to start putting huge stickers reading "CLONED MEAT" on the products, that seems kinda fucked up in a weird, sci-fi kinda way.

Anyway, carry on.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Eeew, what the hell? I never knew that. Better then throwing them head first into a giant mincing vat I guess.

Believe it or not, that would probably be just as humane, despite its truly gory nature. Death would be nearly instantaneous. I should explain that in the modern method, the spike is driven by a special pneumatic hammer. It's very fast. It supplanted the older method in which a sledghammer was used.

[pisshead]

it's not like we have a meat shortage in this country...

just search for cloning animals for food and you'll find out how it's done, and the side effects...

[Euphoric]

true..a giant mincing vat would at least ensure a quick end..
i looked for links and such to back my claim about the ineffectiveness of the spike, but i didnt really see anything. so, i could be right still, but lack of proper evidence and such, so, i withdraw my comment about it.

it's not like we have a meat shortage in this country...

just search for cloning animals for food and you'll find out how it's done, and the side effects...

wat side effects yo? cancer? maybe obesity and hormone problems? those are already side effects from the drugs theyre pumpin in those critters..

WEEDS YUMMY!!

[Beeblebrox.420]

just search for cloning animals for food and you'll find out how it's done, and the side effects...

It's the responsibility of the person making the claim to back it up with research. I will not do your research for you. If you can't provide valid arguments for your position, then you have lost the debate. I've provided detailed arguments for my position. Where are yours? Hmm?

[pisshead]

you have nothing to worry about, eat the stuff...i don't care. i choose not to. i'll stick to free range grass fed animals, while i still have the right to know that's what i'm getting.

searching for that i came up with link after link of studies on cloning techniques and effects. i'm not going to hold your hand.

[Beeblebrox.420]

That is such a cop-out.

So, I claim victory