What really Happened at the Pentagon?

[nicholasstanko]

couldn't of said it any better....thank you NowhereMan

Out of respect to those that were in the planes and at the Pentagon and at the World Trade Centers and it's surrounding area and to the famlies that lost their loved ones on that day.... Please just accept it for what it is and let their souls rest in peace.

NO! I wont accept it for what it is! It's that passive way of thinking that lets governments get lazy and despotic. Remember Rome? Everyone was so happy and content that the place destroyed itself. All the people were so apathetic that when the invaders came they had forgotten what war was about and what it meant. The greatest civilization in history wasnt built in a day, but it was destroyed in one.

You think that any soul is going to rest peacefully when theyve been murdered and everyone that cares about their memory happily accepts government propaganda and never knows the truth? Take back your liberty for God's sake man! Or are you too busy with your PSP and mtv or whatever other junk they can feed us in one sitting.

TO THE STREETS!

[NowhereMan]

NO! I wont accept it for what it is! It's that passive way of thinking that lets governments get lazy and despotic. Remember Rome? Everyone was so happy and content that the place destroyed itself. All the people were so apathetic that when the invaders came they had forgotten what war was about and what it meant. The greatest civilization in history wasnt built in a day, but it was destroyed in one.

You think that any soul is going to rest peacefully when theyve been murdered and everyone that cares about their memory happily accepts government propaganda and never knows the truth? Take back your liberty for God's sake man! Or are you too busy with your PSP and mtv or whatever other junk they can feed us in one sitting.

TO THE STREETS!

im the last one to say the goverement is good
but spreading YOUR PROPOGANGA does no good ,
if you think they would bomb the pentagon your a moron
simple as that
people died on a plane,not on missle or some shit
and lets see your degree 's in damage analisis ect.
yaw just spouting the fuck off and it bugs me to see you piss on those folks memory

there is enough real stuff the goverment does to speak out about you need not make up crap like that
get a fucking life

[nicholasstanko]

im the last one to say the goverement is good
but spreading YOUR PROPOGANGA does no good ,
if you think they would bomb the pentagon your a moron
simple as that
people died on a plane,not on missle or some shit
and lets see your degree 's in damage analisis ect.
yaw just spouting the fuck off and it bugs me to see you piss on those folks memory

there is enough real stuff the goverment does to speak out about you need not make up crap like that
get a fucking life

Fuck ME?! FUCK YOU! I've posted NUMEROUS times analytical reports and diagrams.

Spreading Proaganda? How the fuck can it be propaganda if i have evidence to back it up? Youre a goddamn moron. Get off your lazy ass and read a few posts back and you'll find not only MY proof but others as well. Pisshead, makor1 even fucking AMSTERDAM have posted things to back up what they say. I said something that sounds horrible and its propaganda now? FUCK YOU.

I dont have a degree in damage analysis. How does that make me ineligible to point out how physically the official story cant and never makes sense? I bet youre a government agent typing this shit. Do you realise what youre saying? "If something smells fishy it doesnt matter. The government has all the answers."

Reading your post you sound like a goddamn hick. It bugs the fuck outta ME knowing that just because a majority of you assholes can get together to decide on the future of america by picking anything southern fried or republican. Jesus Christ, with people like you voting, it doesnt gets hard arguing why we should disband the electoral college. you know what that is, you fucking yokel? YEEEEHAAWWWWW!!!! IMA HUNT ME SUM CRITTERS!

So case in point dont you DARE tell me im pissing on anyones memory ESPECIALLY when im trying to make people realise that we've been lied to FOR PROFIT. Fucking close-minded asshole.


Good day sir.

[Beeblebrox.420]

Nick, you're full of shit, my friend. You are right about ONE thing, however. It wasn't a Boeing 747 that hit the Pentagon, it was a 757 - a somewhat smaller aircraft. You need to understand that these places are made of ALUMINUM. When they hit a steel and concrete structure at 500 MPH, they essentially burst into little shreds. You're not going to see wing impressions, like you did with the Twin Towers (which were open-framed steel structures clad with glass, very different from the much more solid steel-reinforced concrete walls of the Pentagon). In the Pentagon impact, the wings essentially sheared off and were shredded with the rest of the plane, merely contributing to the widening of the hole.

The main problem with this, and nearly every ridiculous conspiracy theory out there is the fact that in order for it to work, one would need thousands or tens of thousands of people to keep quiet and cooperate. This just isn't going to happen. There are plenty of people who value truth above all, and would make sure the truth was known, consequences be damned. Especially with such a massive and traumatic event as this. The fact that there is ZERO credible evidence to support your theory speaks volumes to me.

[Mod Note]
Knock off the needlessly abusive attitude. You can argue with someone without the gratuitous name calling. If you can't be reasonably civil, we don't need you here.

[nicholasstanko]

Nick, you're full of shit, my friend. You are right about ONE thing, however. It wasn't a Boeing 747 that hit the Pentagon, it was a 757 - a somewhat smaller aircraft. You need to understand that these places are made of ALUMINUM. When they hit a steel and concrete structure at 500 MPH, they essentially burst into little shreds. You're not going to see wing impressions, like you did with the Twin Towers (which were open-framed steel structures clad with glass, very different from the much more solid steel-reinforced concrete walls of the Pentagon). In the Pentagon impact, the wings essentially sheared off and were shredded with the rest of the plane, merely contributing to the widening of the hole.

The main problem with this, and nearly every ridiculous conspiracy theory out there is the fact that in order for it to work, one would need thousands or tens of thousands of people to keep quiet and cooperate. This just isn't going to happen. There are plenty of people who value truth above all, and would make sure the truth was known, consequences be damned. Especially with such a massive and traumatic event as this. The fact that there is ZERO credible evidence to support your theory speaks volumes to me.

[Mod Note]
Knock off the needlessly abusive attitude. You can argue with someone without the gratuitous name calling. If you can't be reasonably civil, we don't need you here.

Well looks like i pissed off a mod. But look man, with all due respect you're full of shit if you're going to accept that story. I never said anything about 757's or 747's in this post. I dont think it was either.

Yeh, the OUTSIDE is made of aluminum. But what of the insides? See you cant hold the story together. Every plane crash INCLUDING American Airlines leaves alot of wreckage. You know that! Now suddenly, the plane parts MAGICALLY disintegrate? Cmon.

Glad you brought up wing impressions. PLANES CANT LEAVE WING IMPRESSIONS. This isnt a cartoon! theyre made of aluminum right? exactly so they would be shorn off. especially if theyre flimsy enough to be shredded. And Ill bet you'd still sit there and say that a plane hits a wall gets shredded to bits and leaves a nice neat hole. Does that really make sense to you? "contributing to the widening of the hole" a nice neat spherical hole?

Yeh, the truth CANT be held quiet by everyone. That's why you have DROVES of CIA and FBI and technicians and firemen and police officers and witnesses who were THERE and WITNESSED the event stating that the official story doesnt stack crackers. I respect your authority as a mod but why do you say that noones said anything when they HAVE? Why do you have NYC with MORE than 50% of its residents saying they believe 9/11 was a sham. Surely first-hand witness accounts account for something!?! CNN and MSNBC arent telling you for a reason, HELLO! there run and sponsored by government agents in one way or another? Notice around election time when there are BIIIG donations to a campaigns cause?

[nicholasstanko]

If you want the truth you do your best to find it. You dont sit there and listen to which side sells the better story. go out use google. find the documents you need like i have and everyone else. ive posted DOZENS of links.

[nicholasstanko]

[Mod Note]
Knock off the needlessly abusive attitude. You can argue with someone without the gratuitous name calling. If you can't be reasonably civil, we don't need you here.

Oh yeh, i dont wanna get in trouble or kicked off but I just wanted to point out that

I'm getting chewed out for calling a few names in a heated serious political debate

but over in the Recreation forum I left because they had a post with people calling

blacks "niggers". I noticed noone bothered to leave any mod notes over in that one.

[Beeblebrox.420]

I never said anything about 757's or 747's in this post. I dont think it was either.

That was XTC. My bad.

Yeh, the OUTSIDE is made of aluminum. But what of the insides? See you cant hold the story together. Every plane crash INCLUDING American Airlines leaves alot of wreckage. You know that! Now suddenly, the plane parts MAGICALLY disintegrate? Cmon.

The ENTIRE airframe is made of aluminum. The struts, the bulkheads, everything. And how many of those other crashes had ended with the plane hitting a steel-reinforced concrete wall? I will tell you: none. There is a HUGE difference between a plane hitting the ground at shallow angle at takeoff or landing speeds and one hitting a concrete wall at cruising speed. besides, there was plenty of debris recovered from the Pentagon site.

Glad you brought up wing impressions. PLANES CANT LEAVE WING IMPRESSIONS.

No shit. I said this. Read my post again.

And Ill bet you'd still sit there and say that a plane hits a wall gets shredded to bits and leaves a nice neat hole. Does that really make sense to you? "contributing to the widening of the hole" a nice neat spherical hole?

It makes perfect sense. Even though the bits of aircraft are all shredded up at impact, they still carry a significant amount of kinetic energy. Just like a soft lead bullet can penetrate a much harder target due to inertia and forward momentum, alumimum aircraft parts can still punch holes in concrete. And if not round, what shape WOULD you expect the hole to be?

I respect your authority as a mod but why do you say that noones said anything when they HAVE?

I didn't say no one said anything, I said I've seen no credible evidence presented. Don't put words in my mouth.

Why do you have NYC with MORE than 50% of its residents saying they believe 9/11 was a sham. Surely first-hand witness accounts account for something!?!

Not really. I trust the NTSB investigators far more than I trust the opinion of the average Joe on the street. Opinions are like assholes: everyone has one and they all stink. I'll take facts over opinion any day.

[Beeblebrox.420]

but over in the Recreation forum I left because they had a post with people calling blacks "niggers". I noticed noone bothered to leave any mod notes over in that one.

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