Old Topic, New Spin.

[nicholasstanko]

Hey guys. I know that we've talked about 9/11 a whole pile of times. We've talked about this topic and that topic in separate incidents and we throw facts and figures and challenge others to come up with links to back up our claims. Truth is, all of us should be ashamed because we were sheep. We allowed the government to tell us what happened when in reality all we needed was common sense. Common sense should have told us that if you take the events of that day and really think about it, nothing makes sense. I want to try and put in everything I've thought about pertaining to 9/11. If you can't read it all in one sitting, bookmark the page and come back. I'm just begging you...read it all. I'm not going to use any links or statistics or some fancy engineering principle...I'm going to use common sense for a change. I'm really hoping someone will read who thinks the government had nothing to do with it. If they still think the government had nothing to do with it I want them to post why. It'll be interesting.

The Towers

I know that supposedly the towers came crashing down due to jet fuel burning at thousands of degrees, thus weakening the structural integrity of both steel buildings.

What I don't understand is then if that's the case then how come the designer of the buildings testified that both his building was designed to withstand the impact of not one...but two planes? Sure it's easy to spout off "well he was probably wrong" but wouldnt have at least one of the hundreds of engineers or hundreds of construction workers pointed out a flaw in the desgin in all the years it took to build the buildings?

Okay so the jet fuel is burning at thousands of degrees thus weakening the structural interity necessary for collapse but yet people right next to the wreckage are scrambling for help and then resorting to jumping to their deaths? How come all the firefighters are saying that the fire looked like it was almost out and controllable? Oh well, what do firefighters know?

Well at least we can clean up the debris and examine the wreckage of the plane to determine just how the towers collapsed. Oh, but wait! It seems as if Rudolph Guliani ordered the wreckage to be cleared away almost immediately after the tower fell...chee what a great guy to get rid of the evidence surrounding the single most devestating attack on U.S. soil since Pearl Harbour. The same Pearl Harbour that the governent admitted to having dealings in to prompt a reason to go to war. This is NOTHING like that, huh torog? Oh and how wonderful, Rudolph now is a forerunner in the Bush admin. I was wondering why he opted to not run for mayor again even with a 90% approval rating.

Talking about evidence...how convenient that a hi-jackers passport was found by...you guessed it...the FEDS! Golly that's great! A plane hit the towers and supposedly (according to the 9/11 commission..of course ) a passport flew through a plane that "disintegrated" on impact through a huge explosion burning thousands of degrees and flies down to a fed. Keeping in mind that it was perfectly unscathed and undamaged. How nice. It's also pretty convenient that 8 of 19 hijackers spoke out and said "hey we're alive!" So lemme get this straight, terorists took over the planes and then they escaped the building collapse and then they got out of the country? But hey, that makes perfect sense, right Psycho4Bud?

Pisshead brought up a great point about the insurance policy taken out on the towers before the attack. How convenient that the same dude who owns the towers owns building 7 as well! Isn't that something? It's a shame that building 7 collapsed too. The same building 7 holding financial documents and served as a veritable storage facility for thousands of records. Luckily, Guliani had all that evidence shipped away and the owner larry whats-his name got a brand new building and millions of dollars from the government. Good for him!

Building 7 collapsed and it wasnt even hit by anything? It wasnt hit by any debris and it collapsed? Noone can even come to a solid conclusion how it got caught on fire in the first place. Not an explosion....a simple fire caused building seven to collapse a solid steel building. Building 7 was the furthest building from the towers but it collapsed with all the financial records. Buildings such as the Times and millenium hilton got hit with chunks of debris and caught fire themselves but they didnt collapse. In fact, their owners werent given anything to fix the buildings but building 7 did! How fucking convenient.

Well where the hell was Norad? Oh, it mustve been because they declared they just HAPPENED to be flying drills of a simulation of what would happen if a plane hit the buildings days before sep 11 and ON sep 11. How convenient....so there was a big mistake and norad was ordered to stand down thinking it was a big game. But wait, didnt Bush and powell and ashcroft and rumsfeld and rice and gonzo come on television and declare that NOONE in their administration could have POSSIBLY known terrorists would use airliners but norad did? hmmm... that's pretty odd and thats a pretty convenient excuse as to how 19 "tin pot terrorists" (lol i love that one, piss) could deviate FOUR planes off of their course without so much as a glance from norad? Those two stories dont add up they completely oppose one another. Even if what they said was true, someone fucked up. Thankfully, the administration is very sorry and noone was fired or called to resign. Employed people dont make very good whistle-blowers now do they?

I wonder why troops were amassing outside of the afghani border before the attacks...

I've already talked about the Pentagon and it's nice neat shiny lawn. About how We're expected to believe witness testimony that's completely uncorroborative with each other. About how we supposedly are supposed to believe that even though every aerodynamics expert tells you that it's completely impossible for anyone to still be conscious at time of impact due to g forces, the plane leveled off before it hit the ground and punched holes THROUGH the walls thus disintegrating. Another plane disintegrating!?!?!? Wow that's four out of four! Maybe they shouldnt be using super radioactive jet fuel that noone knows about with all the planes vanishing off the face of the earth and all. No dont notice that there's a nice neat lawn right in front of the hole either...they use radioactive fertiliser nowadays! Well, the story changed when people questioned it's huge bullshit factor. Now the plane leveled off right before impact...right amsterdam?

Pennsylvania....the government paints a nice sob story about some brave guys saying "let's roll" and taking down the terrorists before the plane hit washington.... . Let's forget about witnesses running up and down swearing they heard jets in the distance, but wait wasnt NORAD down for the count? Well, when we look at the crash site and examine the plane then we'll know what happened...huh? What do you mean that plane disintegrated as well? I guess we should just ask Rumsfeld at his press conference for some answers. Wait...what was that? He just mentioned the plane THEY shot down? Oh wait, he just mispronounced himself so everything's okay now. Nothing to worry about here. How dare this government take people's lives and use them this way.

All four planes only had 20% occupany even though the east coast had 80% maximum capacity of people flying that day....wow...one two maybe...but four planes?

How come noone focuses on New York where 50% of people believe the government had something to do with 9/11? Sure, I have a great idea. Let's listen to some government sposored expert from texas to tell us what happened and why the towers collapsed over the people who were actually there and saw for themselves what happened. Let's forget about the firefighters and engineers and policemen who witnessed the real death of freedom. Their opinions and expertise in the field arent important, right Torog?

At least the "terrorists" didn't hit america's finances too badly. Americans are so smart that someone had the good sense to place a record high number of put options on AA right before the attacks. Anonymously of course with the records kept in Building 7 to be destroyed later.


Okay so I guess if you havnt figured it out that im a staunch believer that the U.S. government murdered its own people as a pretext for war and to get us all in a bloodthirsty rage to kill terrorists whether they be a grandmother or a six year old boy playing ball in what's left of a street. I know there will be a few that think and respond with all sorts of mathematical figures that i'll admit i wont be able to fully understand...i'll get links to all kinds of testimony that refuses to agree with each other and ill probably even get a few responses calling me a terrorist myself or un-american because im questioning everything that doesnt make sense...at least pertaining to the laws of physics and reality that took a backseat that dreadful day.

Think about it like this:

Do you really need some 9/11 commissioner telling you that jet fuel destroyed two towers specifically designed for plane impact from the top and it collapsed on itself as if some sort of implosion took place AND people still survived and waited for rescue from choppers that never came...in an hour AND the mayor destryoed the evidence AND a passport mysteriously survived AND 8/19 hi-jackers survived AND Building 7 collapsed even though it wasnt hit by anything AND testimony from the owner when he said they decided to "pull" the building even though controlled demolition takes WEEKS to calculate (dont try to say they drew up plans from when it was built because you have to plan it out at the time of destruction) AND the same owner owned all three buildings AND NORAD was ordered to stand down because of "drills" they were doing much to the opposite view of condy and company that had "no idea" of such an attack AND countless middle eastern students warned not to go into the city AND members of the CIA resigning and coming forward saying they recieved reports of sep 11 being zero hour. YEH that sounds real nice! i hope they have balloons and cake too! AND troops amassing outside of afghanistan for no reason i guess before sep 11 AND the Penatagon with a non-sensical reason as to a plane crashing AND Donald Rumsfeld "mispronouncing" his words about shooting down a plane AND the lack of occupancy in planes flying from huge passenger originations AND ignoring testimony from actual New Yorker's that witnessed everything AND put options placed on AA. I seem to remember that everyone was searching but when the trail led to the CIA we conveniently forgot.

So sure, we could take individual situations and argue all day back and forth pointlessly. But i DARE anyone. ANYONE to tell me how all those things conveniently happened in the SAME DAY. Anyone at all. We've been dumbed down by corporate media. We dont question we dont react. We dont think. We let the government do the thinking for us and we accept whatever they give us. Like sheep. Whatever happened to common sense where we thought for ourselves and actually respected our right to do so without calling everyone with an opposing view a "terrorist" or unpatriotic scum unworthy of attention. I'm not throwing out nutball stories about microwaves used to assassinate the president I'm pointing out inconsistencies that the government tried to feed to us. But i suppose, i'm just a tinpot terrorist too and i hate america which perfectly explains why i spend so much time putting these posts together. See? notice how it works? i put so much time into putting these posts together because i hate america and i want americans to band together and do whatever they can to preserve the freedoms and liberties we love. Makes sense right?

nicholasstanko Reviewed by nicholasstanko on 06-11-2005. Old Topic, New Spin. Hey guys. I know that we've talked about 9/11 a whole pile of times. We've talked about this topic and that topic in separate incidents and we throw facts and figures and challenge others to come up with links to back up our claims. Truth is, all of us should be ashamed because we were sheep. We allowed the government to tell us what happened when in reality all we needed was common sense. Common sense should have told us that if you take the events of that day and really think about it, Rating: 5

[pisshead]

the evidence if mountainous, only the military industrial complex had the means, motive and opportunty to carry this out...have you watched martial law?

it wasn't only middle eastern students who knew of the attack...many people on the streets of new york and surrounding businesses and schools were empty because of the warnings they received...the instant messaging company Odigo had many warnings transmitted through its service on the morning of 9/11 telling people to get out of their offices...

the joint chiefs of staff had a meeting in NYC on the morning of 9/11, but had their flights cancelled the night before because of a security risk...salmon rushdie and mayor willy brown were warned not to fly to NY for whatever reason...

building 7 had the offices and thousands and thousands of records from the IRS, FBI, NSA, DoD, CIA, Secret Service...not to mention thousands and thousands of pages of pending court documents of cases involving the feds...oops! maybe that's why mr. silverstein's building was brought down by controlled demolition...and he got a massive insurance payout and new buildilngs...excellent job, mr. silverstein!

if that was me who profited off the deaths of 3000+ after blowing up my own building, i'd be typing this from a prison cell right now.

and you can't set up a CD of that beauty in a mere 8 hours. prior knowledge, my friend. prior knowledge and involvement. you can clearly see charges going down 1 and 2...all the extra explosions people heard that the feds say never happened...the put options, the troops massing around afghanistan, where's all that gold from the towers? billions and billions and billions in gold, the power being cut off to upper floors of the buildings and unusual multiple evacuations in the weeks before

who ran security and controlled the power to the WTC complex...marvin bush! brother of the president...

...you could literally go on for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours...

[nicholasstanko]

I did watch martial law it was amazing. i thank you pisshead for helping me with that one.

[Marlboroman]

who ran security and controlled the power to the WTC complex...marvin bush! brother of the president...

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Is this really true? Ive never heard this before to be honest. If its been broadcast here before I must have missed it.

Peace.

[nicholasstanko]

yeh it is true. i saw a news report on cnn. it was way back during the great north american black out

[Marlboroman]

yeh it is true. i saw a news report on cnn. it was way back during the great north american black out

That blackout was awesome, it should be an event if you ask me.

Every year all the lights go out, let the people in NYC/ lower NYS get a decent look at the stars for a change.

Peace.

[nicholasstanko]

LOL. Marlboroman are you a hippy?

[Marlboroman]

I have nevered considered myself one, but it seems that as I hold my own beleifs to more and more critical thinking. I realize that I start to sound more and more like one.

Its cool with me too, hippies always had a good message, it just got bogged down with the conservative views on drugs.

Peace.

[nicholasstanko]

Yeh I agree. Hippies arent bad, I have no problem with 'em. Just sometimes our views conflict when it comes to money. Alot of hippies I've seen are all into mother earth and shit and hate the idea of money. I love money. I wouldnt kill anyone or do over-duplicitous schemes to get money, but i realise how important it is in our world.

[EverydayJunglist]

wow,that made for a decent read.When you put it like that it kinda seems like america was responsible.I always had an idea they were.Anyone have an argument?