For Makor1, Psycho4Bud, Amsterdam....

[BlueCat]

Our own nation is being torn in half, and punishing one another for having differing opinions is no good.

In an effort to save their culture, we are destroying our own. we're funneling resources away from our nation, our programs, our citizens...we have to stick together if we are going to stop this.....

Are we all on the same side now? I sure hope so...
Peace

Cat

BlueCat Reviewed by BlueCat on 06-10-2005. For Makor1, Psycho4Bud, Amsterdam.... Makor1 posted that. When i read it, I got to thinking about just how it could be construed that i support jihadists/terrorists. This post was originally intended for makor but i figured psycho and amsterdam would insult me anyway once i presented my "liberal" and "anti-american" views. I'd like to know just how makor could say i side with terrorists. I've NEVER given my support for terrorism. I've only criticised the american policy of going after said terrorists. To tell you the truth, I Rating: 5

[amsterdam]

I dont put down their tactics as much as i put down ours. It's horrible to run up to soldiers and suicide bomb them, but cmon. What do they have? The troops have all sorts of high-tech gadgetry for the element of surprise. Do you think that with all of this against them they're going to line up and take down the invaders John Wane style? I'm not condoning them but we need to face facts. American troops were sent to THEM. The have NO defenses. We have no right to go to their country start an unfair "war" on OUR terms kill their families and friends and get angry when they come up with a primitive tactic that just happens to be working. This war is our fault. not just bush and cheney and whoever. its OUR fault because when they said "war" we all stood to the side and let them march.

war is supposed to be fair?thats news to me.what a joke.

i guess if war was fair they would come up with uniforms,like the ones they came up with for their hostages wich they beheaded.german soldiers caught fighting out of uniform in WW11 were lined up against walls and then executed on the spot.and then broadcast around the world by people like andy rooney.

thats how we fight war,on OUR terms.i dont think any general from any army on the face of the earth wants to fight a battle on someone elses terms.

people who dont wear uniforms while in battle ARE NOT COVERED BY THE GENEVA CONVENTION.

[BlueCat]

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and Relating to the Protection of Victims of Non-International Armed Conflicts (Protocol II)

This Protocol shall be applied without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, sex, language, religion or belief, political or other opinion, national or social origin, wealth, birth or other status, or on any other similar criteria (hereinafter referred to as "adverse distinction") to all persons affected by an armed conflict as defined in Article 1.

All the wounded, sick and shipwrecked, whether or not they have taken part in the armed conflict, shall be respected and protected.

The civilian population and individual civilians shall enjoy general protection against the dangers arising from military operations. To give effect to this protection, the following rules shall be observed in all circumstances.

http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/index.htm

[amsterdam]

like i said,they are not covered.if they were you would hear from the Hague,not left wing intrest groups like Amnesty.

[BlueCat]

United Nations, Jan. 30 (IPS)-- The United States and allies who attack Iraq without United Nations sanction could face international legal action, even though Washington has opted out of the new International Criminal Court (ICC), experts and peace activists said Thursday.

â??For the first time since the end of the cold war, an act of deliberate aggression is being advanced under the pretext of legality by a major power,â?� said James E. Jennings, president of Conscience International.

â??The US refusal to join the International Criminal Court will not permit its leaders to escape trial before a world court and other international tribunals on war crimes charges,â?� he warned.

[amsterdam]

The taliban did not have any fixed hierarchy,therefore they missed one of the qualifacations for belligerant status.

second,taliban did not have ANY fixed emblem that would identify them as combatants.

thats that.

likewise,osama's kids dont even come close to the four conditions of belligerence status.

al kaka does not have a fixed emblem distinctive at a distance.

bin laden is also not a fixed commander(i.e. he lives in a cave in pakistan)

there is another reason that members of al kaka are noy entitled to pow status.distinctions "between bellum,war against legitimus hostis,a legitimate enemy,and guerra,war against latrunculi, or pirates...and outlaws(wich are) the common enemies of mankind,"have been made as early as roman times and have been incorporated into international laws of war.it is alleged by Sir Michael Howard that the geneva convention were drafted to address bellum/legitumus hostis conflicts ,and that the states in conflict with guerra/latrunculi could summarily execute those types of enemies.

[BlueCat]

Dam Dam read the whole document if they have no emblem they are civilians..

[amsterdam]

unlawful combatants.sorry.

i understand why people are upset,but it dosent change the fact that they just arent covered.

[nicholasstanko]

So how does that justify brutalising them and ridiculing their religion? What's with this "china does it, israel does it, iran does it" mentality. I forgot that those places are staples for human rights and expression. "They're not covered" so doing whatever inhumane thing that gets the fastest results is the best option? Wake up, man. How can you sit there with such a smug disregard for human life? Is it because you think the Chinese and North koreans and Israelis are too dumb to catch up to american military might? You think the day isnt coming when any one of the higher ups just push a button or declare war that puts our civilians in harms way? I'd love to see you if and when that day comes you have to defend yourself. When you're captured the only thing that should be coming out your mouth is "well we're not covered either so i guess its okay if they torture us and throw the bible into the sewers".

[amsterdam]

go ahead,throw the bible in the sewer,scary torture method that is.ouch!!
not to mention that the koran story was made up by terrorists to get the media involved.i will say it was a smart P.R. move though.

i know it drives you batty,but i am yet to see any pictures from abu ghraib or gitmo that i found troublesome even a little.naked pyramids?wow,thats terrible.scary dogs?ooooooooooooooooooooo!

maybe a "fair" "nice" war would be better?