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06-08-2005, 02:41 PM #1OPSenior Member
Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?
I found this while cruising the www.rotten.com daily News archive
article | posted June 1, 2005 (web only)
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Jeremy Scahill
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It was a huge air assault: Approximately 100 US and British planes flew from Kuwait into Iraqi airspace. At least seven types of aircraft were part of this massive operation, including US F-15 Strike Eagles and Royal Air Force Tornado ground-attack planes. They dropped precision-guided munitions on Saddam Hussein's major western air-defense facility, clearing the path for Special Forces helicopters that lay in wait in Jordan. Earlier attacks had been carried out against Iraqi command and control centers, radar detection systems, Revolutionary Guard units, communication centers and mobile air-defense systems. The Pentagon's goal was clear: Destroy Iraq's ability to resist. This was war.
But there was a catch: The war hadn't started yet, at least not officially. This was September 2002--a month before Congress had voted to give President Bush the authority he used to invade Iraq, two months before the United Nations brought the matter to a vote and more than six months before "shock and awe" officially began.
At the time, the Bush Administration publicly played down the extent of the air strikes, claiming the United States was just defending the so-called no-fly zones. But new information that has come out in response to the Downing Street memo reveals that, by this time, the war was already a foregone conclusion and attacks were no less than the undeclared beginning of the invasion of Iraq.
The Sunday Times of London recently reported on new evidence showing that "The RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war." The paper cites newly released statistics from the British Defense Ministry showing that "the Allies dropped twice as many bombs on Iraq in the second half of 2002 as they did during the whole of 2001" and that "a full air offensive" was under way months before the invasion had officially begun.
The implications of this information for US lawmakers are profound. It was already well known in Washington and international diplomatic circles that the real aim of the US attacks in the no-fly zones was not to protect Shiites and Kurds. But the new disclosures prove that while Congress debated whether to grant Bush the authority to go to war, while Hans Blix had his UN weapons-inspection teams scrutinizing Iraq and while international diplomats scurried to broker an eleventh-hour peace deal, the Bush Administration was already in full combat mode--not just building the dossier of manipulated intelligence, as the Downing Street memo demonstrated, but acting on it by beginning the war itself. And according to the Sunday Times article, the Administration even hoped the attacks would push Saddam into a response that could be used to justify a war the Administration was struggling to sell.
On the eve of the official invasion, on March 8, 2003, Bush said in his national radio address: "We are doing everything we can to avoid war in Iraq. But if Saddam Hussein does not disarm peacefully, he will be disarmed by force." Bush said this after nearly a year of systematic, aggressive bombings of Iraq, during which Iraq was already being disarmed by force, in preparation for the invasion to come. By the Pentagon's own admission, it carried out seventy-eight individual, offensive airstrikes against Iraq in 2002 alone.
"It reminded me of a boxing match in which one of the boxers is told not to move while the other is allowed to punch and only stop when he is convinced that he has weakened his opponent to the point where he is defeated before the fight begins," says former UN Assistant Secretary General Hans Von Sponeck, a thirty-year career diplomat who was the top UN official in Iraq from 1998 to 2000. During both the Clinton and Bush administrations, Washington has consistently and falsely claimed these attacks were mandated by UN Resolution 688, passed after the Gulf War, which called for an end to the Iraqi government's repression in the Kurdish north and the Shiite south. Von Sponeck dismissed this justification as a "total misnomer." In an interview with The Nation, Von Sponeck said that the new information "belatedly confirms" what he has long argued: "The no-fly zones had little to do with protecting ethnic and religious groups from Saddam Hussein's brutality" but were in fact an "illegal establishment...for bilateral interests of the US and the UK."
These attacks were barely covered in the press and Von Sponeck says that as far back as 1999, the United States and Britain pressured the UN not to call attention to them. During his time in Iraq, Von Sponeck began documenting each of the airstrikes, showing "regular attacks on civilian installations including food warehouses, residences, mosques, roads and people." These reports, he said, were "welcomed" by Secretary General Kofi Annan, but "the US and UK governments strongly objected to this reporting." Von Sponeck says that he was pressured to end the practice, with a senior British diplomat telling him, "All you are doing is putting a UN stamp of approval on Iraqi propaganda." But Von Sponeck continued documenting the damage and visited many attack sites. In 1999 alone, he confirmed the death of 144 civilians and more than 400 wounded by the US/UK bombings.
After September 11, there was a major change in attitude within the Bush Administration toward the attacks. Gone was any pretext that they were about protecting Shiites and Kurds--this was a plan to systematically degrade Iraq's ability to defend itself from a foreign attack: bombing Iraq's air defenses, striking command facilities, destroying communication and radar infrastructure. As an Associated Press report noted in November 2002, "Those costly, hard-to-repair facilities are essential to Iraq's air defense."
Rear Admiral David Gove, former deputy director of global operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on November 20, 2002, that US and British pilots were "essentially flying combat missions." On October 3, 2002, the New York Times reported that US pilots were using southern Iraq for "practice runs, mock strikes and real attacks" against a variety of targets. But the full significance of this dramatic change in policy toward Iraq only became clear last month, with the release of the Downing Street memo. In it, British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon is reported to have said in 2002, after meeting with US officials, that "the US had already begun 'spikes of activity' to put pressure on the regime," a reference to the stepped-up airstrikes. Now the Sunday Times of London has revealed that these spikes "had become a full air offensive"--in other words, a war.
Michigan Democratic Representative John Conyers has called the latest revelations about these attacks "the smoking bullet in the smoking gun," irrefutable proof that President Bush misled Congress before the vote on Iraq. When Bush asked Congress to authorize the use of force in Iraq, he also said he would use it only as a last resort, after all other avenues had been exhausted. But the Downing Street memo reveals that the Administration had already decided to topple Saddam by force and was manipulating intelligence to justify the decision. That information puts the increase in unprovoked air attacks in the year prior to the war in an entirely new light: The Bush Administration was not only determined to wage war on Iraq, regardless of the evidence; it had already started that war months before it was put to a vote in Congress.
It only takes one member of Congress to begin an impeachment process, and Conyers is said to be considering the option. The process would certainly be revealing. Congress could subpoena Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Gen. Richard Myers, Gen.Tommy Franks and all of the military commanders and pilots involved with the no-fly zone bombings going back into the late 1990s. What were their orders, both given and received? In those answers might lie a case for impeachment.
But another question looms, particularly for Democrats who voted for the war and now say they were misled: Why weren't these unprovoked and unauthorized attacks investigated when they were happening, when it might have had a real impact on the Administration's drive to war? Perhaps that's why the growing grassroots campaign to use the Downing Street memo to impeach Bush can't get a hearing on Capitol Hill. A real probing of this "smoking gun" would not be uncomfortable only for Republicans. The truth is that Bush, like President Bill Clinton before him, oversaw the longest sustained bombing campaign since Vietnam against a sovereign country with no international or US mandate. That gun is probably too hot for either party to touch.nicholasstanko Reviewed by nicholasstanko on . Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008? I found this while cruising the www.rotten.com daily News archive article | posted June 1, 2005 (web only) The Other Bomb Drops Jeremy Scahill PRINT THIS ARTICLE EMAIL THIS ARTICLE Rating: 5\"You know...it\'d be really swell if you could just shut the fuck up for a change\"
Force is your only friend, fear is your only weapon and ignorance your only shield.~hempity (cannabis.com)
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06-08-2005, 02:42 PM #2Senior Member
Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?
hey,thats gonna happen!!
and now,deep thoughts by Jack Handy.\"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"
William F. Buckley Jr.
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06-08-2005, 03:25 PM #3Senior Member
Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?
The evidence will keep mounting up but I doubt anyone will have the balls to stand up and say "Your a criminal George Bush and we're putting you in jail!"
The sheep will follow, even if the war is proven as unjustified/illegal (if it hasn't been already).
Just have to wait and see I guess.
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06-08-2005, 03:27 PM #4Senior Member
Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?
Originally Posted by Button Basher
suuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee it will.\"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"
William F. Buckley Jr.
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06-08-2005, 03:30 PM #5Senior Member
Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?
Using a source from Rotton.com....same site they have the mugshot of Jesus. Great link NicholASS.
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06-08-2005, 03:40 PM #6Member
Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?
Good I hope he gets whats coming to him but Bush looks to powerful to touch he could shoot somebody dead at point blank and not get charged.
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06-08-2005, 03:42 PM #7Senior Member
Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?
well it is never gonna happen so forget it.
\"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"
William F. Buckley Jr.
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06-08-2005, 04:33 PM #8OPSenior Member
Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
You fucking idiot. You real fucking clown. You real fucking asshole. I didnt get the article from rotten.com soley. They simply posted the news article that's available to the public from anywhere. If you bothered to read the VERY BEGINNING then you wouldve seen where the article was cited from. Now you're trying to make me look like a dumbass using some rinky-dink gossip source. Keep in mind I love the site and think it's very clever and well-thought out if you can get aside the gruesome pics they display. This just PROVES that you sit there with your thumbs in your ass and wait for someone to post with just a hint of an opposing view and that's enough to go after 'em. I dont care about being restrained with you anymore. You waste everyone's time and insult our intelligence by doing shit like that. I think it's too much of that Agent Orange. Me and many others are protesting and spending time out of OUR lives trying to convince others to get YOUR son out of an illegal and unneccessary war situation while you sit there fucking around. Fuck you man. Fuck you. I hope when an international incident hits and we're all in real danger of being caught in between you make up for this shit you pull by siding with people who actually care about others.\"You know...it\'d be really swell if you could just shut the fuck up for a change\"
Force is your only friend, fear is your only weapon and ignorance your only shield.~hempity (cannabis.com)
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06-08-2005, 04:38 PM #9Senior Member
Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?
that just displays how superficial people are...
if i post something from prisonplanet.com or infowars.com it means that alex jones wrote it in some fanatic paranoid delusion...
when 95% of the time it's from a government website, reuters, the AP, haraatz, any of hundreds of local newspapers from around the country and around the world...army war college, library of congress, congressional testimony, legislation, c-span, congressmen's websites...foxnews...cnn...msnbc...
it's called lack of discernment. if it's not on the nightly news or mainstream...it's not real.
people are allowed to be their own gatekeeper for the news...i work in a tv station, so i know how the propaganda is disseminated.
it's easier to turn a blind eye to any corruption, on a local or federal level...then to actually have to realize that you may have to do something about it before it consumes the constitution and bill of rights and spits out a military dictatorship, to keep us safe. such is the history of the world.
but i know, corruption doesn't exist in America...quick! look over there at iraq...iraq is bad, therefore we have freedom.
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06-08-2005, 04:48 PM #10Senior Member
Bush Impeachment: Read This. Will he last till 2008?
Actually the source is The London Times...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...632566,00.html
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