Tanks In The Streets Of New York

[makor01]

i keep hearing all this crap about the poilce/soldiers in the air ports with automatic weapons etc etc. People dont seem to realize how sept 11 changed shit. Theyre not trying to make some "police state" its called a "build up" and is supposed to serve as a deterrent for any future attacks. Notice that i said "suppose to". Do i think that having all these police/national guard soldiers in train stations and air ports is gonna help? well no i really dont. In fact i think its caused exactly what im seeing in this thread....paranoia. I dont deny that "big brother" is out there and that the gathering of personal info is happening, but i dont take simple pictures of 1 LAV in NY as the beginning of "martial law".

[nicholasstanko]

i keep hearing all this crap about the poilce/soldiers in the air ports with automatic weapons etc etc. People dont seem to realize how sept 11 changed shit. Theyre not trying to make some "police state" its called a "build up" and is supposed to serve as a deterrent for any future attacks. Notice that i said "suppose to". Do i think that having all these police/national guard soldiers in train stations and air ports is gonna help? well no i really dont. In fact i think its caused exactly what im seeing in this thread....paranoia. I dont deny that "big brother" is out there and that the gathering of personal info is happening, but i dont take simple pictures of 1 LAV in NY as the beginning of "martial law".

Even though Donald Rumsfeld came on the air and stated that in the event of another attack, people would lose their liberties and made it clear that the current constitution would be placed on the back burner for a more militaristic state? I'm not going on hearsay i watched it on television. I read reports about how Roberto Gonzalez thinks torture is okay even torturing people to death. Today it might be one tank with people waving and cheering but wait until another attack. Everyone will be so scared that they'll do whatever soldiers tell them because they'll remember how warm and receptive it was before.

[makor01]

so what would you do nich?

[nicholasstanko]

so what would you do nich?

I'd love to say I'd beef up and form my own one-man army but truthfully I don't know. I've never lived anywhere where the army can come in and round up whoever. The thing is though, if that happens I'm not going to get taken by surprise. I refuse to be like the other automotons who'll be "shocked" and "caught off guard" and had "no idea such a thing could happen".

[makor01]

From now on i dub thee John J Rambo!!!

Truth is....nobody knows what they would do until it did happen....if it ever does.

[Marlboroman]

wtf you people are freaking out cause there is 1 LAV in NY, wtf cummon guys im sure you can get better material than this to make your cons theories.

i think it would take a hell of alot more "tanks" as you say to impose martial law in down town NY. How do you know theyre not doing some training mission or something like that. Instead the first think you see is some theory of the government trying to take over NY...get a fucking clue.

A training exercise?


Excatly what kind of training are they doing in NYC with crowded streets?

Maybe it was a dirty water dog alert and the drill was who could make it to the hot dog stand first with only a fist full of nickels.

Further more NYC is the perfect place to start with martial law.
Most here already have so much stress in their lives that if they are not in depression already they are takeing anti-deppressants in order to function at work everyday. So these people are already more sussecible to fear as a control than most.
On top of that, one can always say they are simply here to protect us from further "terrorist" attacks, maybe the CIA or FBI got a hot tip from Okbar the bagel guy down the block and they were looking for a terrorist.....

Use real logic guys, I was in the military. They dont run drills so the public can openly see them, and thats a fact.

So exclude the obviuos answers to what they were doing there and you come up with a big fat question mark.

And thats what we should be asking, had I been there I would have talked to them, made friends with them and see what was up for myself. Hell i bet better than 60% of the armed forces are made up of guys from Texas, I am from Texas so thats a huge in. Aside from that they have many training bases down there, so chances are most have been there at one point or another.

All I did was offer my view as to what they are doing parked in the street in broad daylight as crowds of people walked by.

Also Fleet week was here in NYC over the big weekend. I had a freind go down there and he said their gear was totally sick, and if anything I have to say is possible, we as civilian citizens are fucked.

The guy who took it said it was a week old so unless its actually 2 weeks old they should have been long gone by then. Besides in my days in the Navy I came to NYC 2 times dureing Fleet week. Never at any time in both years, did the Marines leave the ship with weapons, or vehicles.

Oh and 53rd and 7th is mid town. not Downtown.

Peace.

[pisshead]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/185048.shtml

http://www.americanfreepress.net/11_...nks_fears.html

we're being geared up for martial law...9/11 is the excuse for everything...plenty of evidence implicating our government with foreknowledge and involvement...so who stands to gain...i'm sure our government will be really sad about having to impose dictatorship on us.

if and when we give up the constitution...doesn't that mean 'the terrorists' have won?

google search "tommy franks military government" or something similar for more.

i also have a joint committee of congress on video where a congressman asks about the plans to scrap the constitution and about the camps for rounding up citizens...he asks this to tommy franks...this was in the 80's i think...and the chairman stops him and says 'we can't discuss this...if necessary we can set up an executive session...'

shot down. they've been planning the military takeover of America for a long time.

everyone should see that...i know it's in one of alex jones' videos...i forget which one...one of the police state series i think...or america destroyed by design.


Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack
John O. Edwards, NewsMax.com
Friday, Nov. 21, 2003
Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.
Franks, who successfully led the U.S. military operation to liberate Iraq, expressed his worries in an extensive interview he gave to the menâ??s lifestyle magazine Cigar Aficionado.

In the magazineâ??s December edition, the former commander of the militaryâ??s Central Command warned that if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) against the U.S. or one of our allies, it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government.

Discussing the hypothetical dangers posed to the U.S. in the wake of Sept. 11, Franks said that â??the worst thing that could happenâ?� is if terrorists acquire and then use a biological, chemical or nuclear weapon that inflicts heavy casualties.

If that happens, Franks said, â??... the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty weâ??ve seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy.â?�

Franks then offered â??in a practical senseâ?� what he thinks would happen in the aftermath of such an attack.

â??It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world â?? it may be in the United States of America â?? that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.â?�

Franks didnâ??t speculate about how soon such an event might take place.

Already, critics of the U.S. Patriot Act, rushed through Congress in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, have argued that the law aims to curtail civil liberties and sets a dangerous precedent.

But Franksâ?? scenario goes much further. He is the first high-ranking official to openly speculate that the Constitution could be scrapped in favor of a military form of government.

The usually camera-shy Franks retired from U.S. Central Command, known in Pentagon lingo as CentCom, in August 2003, after serving nearly four decades in the Army.

Franks earned three Purple Hearts for combat wounds and three Bronze Stars for valor. Known as a â??soldierâ??s general,â?� Franks made his mark as a top commander during the U.S.â??s successful Operation Desert Storm, which liberated Kuwait in 1991. He was in charge of CentCom when Osama bin Ladenâ??s al-Qaeda attacked the United States on Sept. 11.

Franks said that within hours of the attacks, he was given orders to prepare to root out the Taliban in Afghanistan and to capture bin Laden.

Franks offered his assessment on a number of topics to Cigar Aficionado, including:

President Bush: â??As I look at President Bush, I think he will ultimately be judged as a man of extremely high character. A very thoughtful man, not having been appraised properly by those who would say heâ??s not very smart. I find the contrary. I think heâ??s very, very bright. And I suspect that heâ??ll be judged as a man who led this country through a crease in history effectively. Probably weâ??ll think of him in years to come as an American hero.â?�

On the motivation for the Iraq war: Contrary to claims that top Pentagon brass opposed the invasion of Iraq, Franks said he wholeheartedly agreed with the presidentâ??s decision to invade Iraq and oust Saddam Hussein.

â??I, for one, begin with intent. ... There is no question that Saddam Hussein had intent to do harm to the Western alliance and to the United States of America. That intent is confirmed in a great many of his speeches, his commentary, the words that have come out of the Iraqi regime over the last dozen or so years. So we have intent.

â??If we know for sure ... that a regime has intent to do harm to this country, and if we have something beyond a reasonable doubt that this particular regime may have the wherewithal with which to execute the intent, what are our actions and orders as leaders in this country?â?�

The Pentagonâ??s deck of cards: Asked how the Pentagon decided to put its most-wanted Iraqis on a set of playing cards, Franks explained its genesis. He recalled that when his staff identified the most notorious Iraqis the U.S. wanted to capture, â??it just turned out that the number happened to be about the same as a deck of cards. And so somebody said, â??Aha, this will be the ace of spades.â??â?�

Capturing Saddam: Franks said he was not surprised that Saddam has not been captured or killed. But he says he will eventually be found, perhaps sooner than Osama bin laden.

â??The capture or killing of Saddam Hussein will be a near term thing. And I wonâ??t say thatâ??ll be within 19 or 43 days. ... I believe it is inevitable.â?�

Franks ended his interview with a less-than-optimistic note. â??Itâ??s not in the history of civilization for peace ever to reign. Never has in the history of man. ... I doubt that weâ??ll ever have a time when the world will actually be at peace.â?�

[makor01]

where ever the fuck 53rd and douchbag is at im sure it isnt whatever youre saying it was.

I was in many "riot" training exercises where we actually trained with the public...so right there your facts are wrong...ive really given up on arguing with you and pisshead cause you can make up the most assanine exceptions anyone can think of, apparenty you learned dick when you were in huh.

[yocass]

ok maybe we cant agree on the transformers... but ~clap~ good job in the navy we also did training excercises on the san diego coastline in full view of the public. Hard to hide big ass naval ships. Maybe we initiated the cloaking devices lol.

[sawleaf]

That LAV could be on the streets for any number of reasons. Training exercises, public displays, recruitment, road testing. I don't see a machine gun even mounted on it. I have driven military vehicles through public places many many times and I see it all the time where I live. I'll worry about things when the shooting starts. Until then, I'll live my life paranoia free.