From a Republican.....

[F L E S H]

This was a good post, XYC. If republicans were really like this, I could have actually supported them. But as it says in the first line, Bush is not a real Republican, and neither are any of the people surrounding him. It's rare that agree with some article like this, but this was good

[BlueCat]

When U.S. foreign policy for the Middle East was drawn up many decades ago their was only two agendas. Protect the natural resources(oil) of the region for U.S. consumption and to make sure the U.S.S.R. did not gain control over the region. Think the cold war is over, think again. This foreign policy is still in place today. The Israelis were about to fuck it all up and attack Saddam and Iraq. Remeber the Israelis already had taken out a nuclear reactor Saddam was trying to build. When the infamous idiot (Bush; as if you didn't know) gave the world wide command to attack terroists wherever they hide Israel figured he gave the go ahead. Hang on Israel let us the U.S. military take care of this for you. We wouldn't want you to waste the military assests we have given you on our taxpayers nickel. The rest you know WMD's, human rights abuses, etc., etc., etc., WAR. And if you believe everything the government and news media says, then I have some prime acreage for sale in the florida everglades. Anyone interested?

Actually what this guy is saying holds water we do have a plan to control the mid-east that was set up long before the Iraq war....and ten years after the attack on Osirak, then-Defense Secretary Cheney reportedly gave Israeli Maj. Gen. David Ivri, then the commander of the Israeli Air Force, a satellite photo of the Iraqi nuclear reactor destroyed by US-built Israeli aircraft. On the photo Cheney penned, "Thanks for the outstanding job on the Iraqi nuclear program in 1981."
Cheney, also expressed deep concern over Iran's "fairly robust new nuclear program," Iran has astated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel."
Cheney says he is afraid that the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards."
The US would love that to happen, we are suppose to think he is worried about it when we give Isreal so much money...more money than we give anyone else...
Did you know...Israel is the single largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid nearly one-third of the total direct bi-lateral aid.
Israel receives more than all of Latin America, the Caribbean, and Africa combined. Israel is, one of the richest countries in the world, a country of around 6 million people, and it receives more aid than two entire continents including some of the poorest regions in the world!!!

The category of direct bi-lateral aid alone is staggering. The House of Representatives has appropriated $2.04 billion in military aid to Israel for next year (up from $1.98 billion this year) in addition to $840 million in economic support funds. The total amount of US aid of this sort has been constant, at around $3 billion, for many years....

It is something to think about..
Cat

[Torog]

Actually what this guy is saying holds water we do have a plan to control the mid-east that was set up long before the Iraq war....and ten years after the attack on Osirak, then-Defense Secretary Cheney reportedly gave Israeli Maj. Gen. David Ivri, then the commander of the Israeli Air Force, a satellite photo of the Iraqi nuclear reactor destroyed by US-built Israeli aircraft. On the photo Cheney penned, "Thanks for the outstanding job on the Iraqi nuclear program in 1981."
Cheney, also expressed deep concern over Iran's "fairly robust new nuclear program," Iran has astated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel."
Cheney says he is afraid that the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards."
The US would love that to happen, we are suppose to think he is worried about it when we give Isreal so much money...more money than we give anyone else...
Did you know...Israel is the single largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid nearly one-third of the total direct bi-lateral aid.
Israel receives more than all of Latin America, the Caribbean, and Africa combined. Israel is, one of the richest countries in the world, a country of around 6 million people, and it receives more aid than two entire continents including some of the poorest regions in the world!!!

The category of direct bi-lateral aid alone is staggering. The House of Representatives has appropriated $2.04 billion in military aid to Israel for next year (up from $1.98 billion this year) in addition to $840 million in economic support funds. The total amount of US aid of this sort has been constant, at around $3 billion, for many years....

It is something to think about..
Cat

Howdy Blue Cat,

So..from what I can gather,you would like to see Israel abandoned and left to Her own devices..is that so ? Does this mean,that you're anti-semetic too ? Perhaps a bit rascist and bigotted ?

You've already declared me an 'idiot',not worthy of being in your magnificent presence..as is typical of all of the liberals that I have dealt with,over the past 7 years online. Y'all typically,dismiss those in fly-over country,believing us to be nothing but uneducated,ignorant hicks. Well..thanx to your snobbish attitude,bigotry and hatred,y'all have lost 2 elections in a row..care to make it 3 ?

Do you have any idea,of what would happen if we abandoned our support of Israel ? When will you finally admit,that the arab world will not relinquish it's long-held and cherished goal,of destroying Israel and killing all Jews on the face of the planet ? Do you really think that you can change this goal by appealing to the arab world ? Do you want them to change their goal ?

Those who stand against Israel..shall fall.

Have a good one...

[Marlboroman]

Howdy Blue Cat,

So..from what I can gather,you would like to see Israel abandoned and left to Her own devices..is that so ? Does this mean,that you're anti-semetic too ? Perhaps a bit rascist and bigotted ?

You've already declared me an 'idiot',not worthy of being in your magnificent presence..as is typical of all of the liberals that I have dealt with,over the past 7 years online. Y'all typically,dismiss those in fly-over country,believing us to be nothing but uneducated,ignorant hicks. Well..thanx to your snobbish attitude,bigotry and hatred,y'all have lost 2 elections in a row..care to make it 3 ?

Do you have any idea,of what would happen if we abandoned our support of Israel ? When will you finally admit,that the arab world will not relinquish it's long-held and cherished goal,of destroying Israel and killing all Jews on the face of the planet ? Do you really think that you can change this goal by appealing to the arab world ? Do you want them to change their goal ?

Those who stand against Israel..shall fall.

Have a good one...

Have you any idea what will happen if you continue to support a facist regime?

My guess is that you do, you act more and more everyday like the quotes from that American Taliban page.

Those quotes probably made total sense to you I bet.

The point you and the rest of your pals keep missing is that there is only ONE body of government with TWO fake sides to it.

Fuck other countries.... right now you need to worry about this one, the one YOU and I live in.

The troops need to be brought back and they need to close our borders with them. Want to protect us from terrorists? Try telling your GOV to use the power it had with the Original Constitution to do so.

The Patriot act is far from Patriotic.

But you dont give a shit right?... all you want is Christianity world wide.

When the cycle comes full circle and there is no other choice but to see what you are supporting. How will you feel about yourself then? Oh never mind thats right, you have gods will behind you. Its your right to do those things acording to the religious reich.

Meanwhile, as gods word preaches forgiveness you preach hate.. Ya that sounds logical to me.

God wont protect any of us from bullets, they say he let his only son die on the cross to take away our sins.

If thats the case, he wont save either of us from death here on earth. Hell is not a factor for me so I dont fear what comes after this world if anything. But I kind of like it here on earth, and Id like to live out my time on it with out persons like yourself mucking up the water.

I am not a pacifist tho, I will react just as most will when my rights and will is being trampled on. The difference is your regime is guided by hate not love.

I watched a catholic mass last night on telecare, total brainwashing. Every prayer dictates who to support and who to damn to hell. thats how the message is beat into you, with prayer.

All you would have had to do is change the language and called them Jihadists and you could have been watching so called terrorists. You just have a better PR machine than they do, but both your sides are the same, you tell the people the same shit the other side is telling theirs.

Its fucking lunacy and your sattled up for the ride. YEEHAW PARDNER!

[nicholasstanko]

Full agreement on that one. I noticed how torog suggested blue cat might be racist while ignoring his comments on mexicans who are so cowardly they probably wouldnt even stop to pick up their dead. If im wrong then ive got him mistaken with someone else. The problem with people like torog is that their willing to justify war because he knows he made the worng choice at the polls assuming he voted at all. he doesnt want to live up to the fact that politics have evolved beyond partisanship. I can just not vote for one asshole but that would mean voting for the other guy who is just as spoiled and disconnected from the world as the first one was. Sure the democratic party might be "dead" right now for a while but so what?

also notice how he never directly responded to her quote about why should we be aiding israel who is just as keen on genocide and wiping out her enemies as the rest of the arab world is intent on killing them. dont worry though, the christian agenda has a provision for the jews as well. notice how the patriot act allows the feds to grab anybodys file and property without permission? what does torog think about that? do you "reckon" that he'll complain that jews are unfairly detained because of "suspicious terrorist activity" because theyre jews and christians fundamentally dont care for jews. of course he wont. he'll probably jump for joy and kick back with his moonshine to celebrate. there'll be a standoff and he'll support killing terrorist jews because they "attacked america" with their financial power.

[Torog]

Full agreement on that one. I noticed how torog suggested blue cat might be racist while ignoring his comments on mexicans who are so cowardly they probably wouldnt even stop to pick up their dead. If im wrong then ive got him mistaken with someone else. The problem with people like torog is that their willing to justify war because he knows he made the worng choice at the polls assuming he voted at all. he doesnt want to live up to the fact that politics have evolved beyond partisanship. I can just not vote for one asshole but that would mean voting for the other guy who is just as spoiled and disconnected from the world as the first one was. Sure the democratic party might be "dead" right now for a while but so what?

also notice how he never directly responded to her quote about why should we be aiding israel who is just as keen on genocide and wiping out her enemies as the rest of the arab world is intent on killing them. dont worry though, the christian agenda has a provision for the jews as well. notice how the patriot act allows the feds to grab anybodys file and property without permission? what does torog think about that? do you "reckon" that he'll complain that jews are unfairly detained because of "suspicious terrorist activity" because theyre jews and christians fundamentally dont care for jews. of course he wont. he'll probably jump for joy and kick back with his moonshine to celebrate. there'll be a standoff and he'll support killing terrorist jews because they "attacked america" with their financial power.

Howdy nicholas,

Mexicans,or anyone else for that matter,would not stop to pick up their dead,if they are involved in a criminal action..they would not want to be burdened with the heavy load..they'd be worried about saving their own behinds and putting distance between themselves and the evidence.

You and Marlboroman,are thoroughly infused with the hatred of the Left and Blue Cat is a classic example of a snobby liberal,y'all would feel most comfortable,at the DU site..that way,y'all could hear everything you want and like to hear..and no one would upset your little red wagons.

In regards to Jews.I'm in love with a liberal Jew,for the last 9 years,goin on 10,and I believe that I know a heck of alot more than all of you 3 put together,when it comes to Jews. I've been to 2 Sedr's(Passovers),and wore the yamulka,both times. I believe that all 3 of y'all,are anti-semetic and believe every word that comes from the pali's and the arab-muslim world.

I have been voting,since 1978..have y'all been voting ? I take my role as a citizen/soldier..dead serious,for y'all..there's a laundry-list of conditions to be met,and you must have permission from other countries,before you can act. The folks that fought and died so that you might be free to slander your own country,didn't have a list of conditions to be met,before they made the decision to fight for someone else's freedom.

Y'all keep on spewing your hatred,lies and snobbery..we'll keep on winning at the polls and you'll never regain the White House.

Have a good one....

[Sgt. Pepper]

Torog, you say there's hatred on the Left, but you talk like it's all hugs and kisses on the Right. If I ever turn on talk radio or Fox News for a laugh, all I ever hear is some talking head bitching about those evil gays, teachers, the ACLU, and liberals who hate America because they didn't support the Iraq War. You're in power but you're not even taking the time to enjoy it because you're worrying about all these terrible people. If Republicans can win elections so easily and are such great leaders, why are you worried about a gay pride parade trying to topple our government with its "socialist agenda"?

[BlueCat]

Torog your posts only prove your absolute ignorance, calling me racist for not wanting to send huge amounts of money to one of the riches nations in the world who also happens to have more UN charges against it than any other nation. like the UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH INTENTIONAL CHILD MURDER. Recent UN charges of torture in Israel, UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH WAR CRIMES: THE CASE OF THE QANA MASSACRE Their are many JEWS against Israel Too bad your wife is not one of them.

You call me racist after you spit out your hate for Mexican people? I have many friends that are Mexican, Nicaraguan and Honduran, You could not hold a candle to their decency and humanity. You talk of Christ, freedom and security while trumpeting that worthless excuse for a president... You pick at the Bible and your religion to suit your needs but I seem to remember passages like... Thou shalt not KILL...
"Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you...
You slander the word Christain.
As for the president you support
He is not making the US or anyone else in this world more free or secure.
His ONLY agenda is to consolidate wealth and power for himself and his friends.
You are typical of the propaganda swallowing idiots who can't think past the sound bites you get off the TV. After you have heard Rush Limbaugh and Hannity obediently repeat the propaganda a few thousand times, you know it as Truth.

You like your party have no scruples and no respect for anything other than the raw exercise of power. Your claims that we are spewing hate and lies" is nothing more than a desperate attempt to avoid the real issues....

ISSUE: The president is a liar, and the world knows it!

He has killed 100,000 people, ruined our military, spreading them thin, sending them to war unprepared, and lacking trust in their commander in chief.

Bush has pinned us down in a version of Vietnam on steroids, and spent $400 billion+ on a war that we were told would pay for itself.

There are over 1600 dead US service people in Iraq, over 18,000 wounded. Over 80 dead coalition forces. Over 3000 dead Iraqi police & other Iraqi uniformed forces, and unknown tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians.

Iraq is a country whose infrastructure has been destroyed leaving them worse off than before our little adventure, all based on a war of neocon choice founded on deception.

MORE ISSUES FOR YOU TO AVOID: we still have no idea where Bin Laden is, and our president has said numerous times..he is not concerned with Bin Laden the man responsible for Killing AMERICANS.

He has butchered the Geneva Conventions And removed us from the international court further alienated our allies.

He has taken a budget surplus and turned it into record-breaking deficit.

Bush hires fake news men for White House briefings,so he will only get asked "the right questions" he has paid secret pundits, and passes off propaganda disguised a news report.

Your wonderful president did not bother to show up for the worst natural disaster in West Indies history, but made an emergency flight to sign self-serving paperwork for a brain-dead woman.

Your president has put us behind in so many areas of research and has sold our greatest technologies out to communist CHINA.

You conservatives claim to be such right upstanding citizens, yet you support a VP that makes money off Hallibuton and lies about it.You see nothing wrong with him telling his opponents to "go FUCK themselves"? And since when were Bush DUIs and draft dodging outstanding Christian virtues?

Why did you fine Christian Republicans resort to lying about John Kerry (a decorated war hero) by painting him as a war criminal and a traitor during the 2004 campaign? Now that is really standing up for your fellow veteran countrymen.

Why did the respectable White House respond to Joseph Wilson's criticism of the Iraq war by publicly exposing the identity of the undercover CIA agent who happened to be his wife? Endangering her life to further their agenda that seems more the actions of traitors than a Christains...

Why are Army and Marine recruitment quotas down for the last 3 months? Aren't all you Republicans sending your children down to sign up? If you believe so much in this president you should take your kids down and sign them up The petroleum industry needs you too. Torog...you aren't too old to sign up as a contractor. .....


Just what has your president done for you Torog..lets stay on point.

Fascism: the merger of state and corporate power, coupled with jingoist and belligerent nationalism. That's what your country is becoming under Bush.

[BlueCat]

And while we are at it Torog, lets talk about that homophobic streak you have....

Ever wonder why so many Christian Conservatives turn out to be gay....

They use their religious beliefs to try and stifle their urges...

You said you were in the navy didn't you Torog?

My it must be lonely out there on that big ship full of men....

Me thinks you doth protest too much...Torog

You have a good day.

Cat

[nicholasstanko]

Torog your posts only prove your absolute ignorance, calling me racist for not wanting to send huge amounts of money to one of the riches nations in the world who also happens to have more UN charges against it than any other nation. like the UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH INTENTIONAL CHILD MURDER. Recent UN charges of torture in Israel, UN CHARGES ISRAEL WITH WAR CRIMES: THE CASE OF THE QANA MASSACRE Their are many JEWS against Israel Too bad your wife is not one of them.

You call me racist after you spit out your hate for Mexican people? I have many friends that are Mexican, Nicaraguan and Honduran, You could not hold a candle to their decency and humanity. You talk of Christ, freedom and security while trumpeting that worthless excuse for a president... You pick at the Bible and your religion to suit your needs but I seem to remember passages like... Thou shalt not KILL...
"Do onto others as you would wish them do onto you...
You slander the word Christain.
As for the president you support
He is not making the US or anyone else in this world more free or secure.
His ONLY agenda is to consolidate wealth and power for himself and his friends.
You are typical of the propaganda swallowing idiots who can't think past the sound bites you get off the TV. After you have heard Rush Limbaugh and Hannity obediently repeat the propaganda a few thousand times, you know it as Truth.

You like your party have no scruples and no respect for anything other than the raw exercise of power. Your claims that we are spewing hate and lies" is nothing more than a desperate attempt to avoid the real issues....

ISSUE: The president is a liar, and the world knows it!

He has killed 100,000 people, ruined our military, spreading them thin, sending them to war unprepared, and lacking trust in their commander in chief.

Bush has pinned us down in a version of Vietnam on steroids, and spent $400 billion+ on a war that we were told would pay for itself.

There are over 1600 dead US service people in Iraq, over 18,000 wounded. Over 80 dead coalition forces. Over 3000 dead Iraqi police & other Iraqi uniformed forces, and unknown tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians.

Iraq is a country whose infrastructure has been destroyed leaving them worse off than before our little adventure, all based on a war of neocon choice founded on deception.

MORE ISSUES FOR YOU TO AVOID: we still have no idea where Bin Laden is, and our president has said numerous times..he is not concerned with Bin Laden the man responsible for Killing AMERICANS.

He has butchered the Geneva Conventions And removed us from the international court further alienated our allies.

He has taken a budget surplus and turned it into record-breaking deficit.

Bush hires fake news men for White House briefings,so he will only get asked "the right questions" he has paid secret pundits, and passes off propaganda disguised a news report.

Your wonderful president did not bother to show up for the worst natural disaster in West Indies history, but made an emergency flight to sign self-serving paperwork for a brain-dead woman.

Your president has put us behind in so many areas of research and has sold our greatest technologies out to communist CHINA.

You conservatives claim to be such right upstanding citizens, yet you support a VP that makes money off Hallibuton and lies about it.You see nothing wrong with him telling his opponents to "go FUCK themselves"? And since when were Bush DUIs and draft dodging outstanding Christian virtues?

Why did you fine Christian Republicans resort to lying about John Kerry (a decorated war hero) by painting him as a war criminal and a traitor during the 2004 campaign? Now that is really standing up for your fellow veteran countrymen.

Why did the respectable White House respond to Joseph Wilson's criticism of the Iraq war by publicly exposing the identity of the undercover CIA agent who happened to be his wife? Endangering her life to further their agenda that seems more the actions of traitors than a Christains...

Why are Army and Marine recruitment quotas down for the last 3 months? Aren't all you Republicans sending your children down to sign up? If you believe so much in this president you should take your kids down and sign them up The petroleum industry needs you too. Torog...you aren't too old to sign up as a contractor. .....


Just what has your president done for you Torog..lets stay on point.

Fascism: the merger of state and corporate power, coupled with jingoist and belligerent nationalism. That's what your country is becoming under Bush.

TOROG! YOU HAVE BEEN OWNED! Bluecat, much love to you I read this over at least four times and it's really the best post ive read since i started. *Raises a spliff to bluecat* I loved how you referenced how torog is a latent homosexual. YOU ARE THE BEST KITTY KAT!