Navajo's Override Gay-Marriage Ban Veto

[Torog]

Navajos Override Gay-Marriage Ban Veto
June 04, 2005 3:51 AM EDT
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - The Navajo Nation's tribal government voted Friday to override its president's veto of a measure banning same-sex marriage on the nation's largest Indian reservation.

The Dine Marriage Act of 2005 defines marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman. It also prohibits plural marriages as well as marriage between parents and children, grandparents and grandchildren, brothers and sisters and other close relatives.

Dine is the Navajos' name for themselves.

"In the traditional Navajo ways, gay marriage is a big no-no," said Kenneth Maryboy, a delegate from Montezuma Creek, Utah. "It all boils down to the circle of life. We were put on the earth to produce offspring."

The Tribal Council vote was 62-14, with 12 delegates abstaining or absent, to override Navajo President Joe Shirley Jr.'s veto last month.

"My feeling is that the reason they overrode the president's veto is that they have a huge animosity toward the president," said Percy Anderson, a gay rights organizer who started a Web site and petition to lobby against the marriage act.

Anderson, who previously held an elected office in the tribe's Manuelito, N.M., chapter, said he believes the council is locked in a power struggle. "They want to show the president that they are the governing body," Anderson said.

Maryboy disagreed, saying his constituents overwhelming oppose gay marriage and generally disapprove of gay relationships.

"My supporters told me to stay firmly against it, especially the ministers who join people in marriage," he said.

A spokesman for Shirley said he will issue a statement override over the weekend.

Delegate Larry Anderson of Fort Defiance, Ariz., author of the Dine Marriage Act, did not return numerous phone calls seeking comment.

The Navajo Nation, which has more than 180,000 residents, spans parts of Arizona, New Mexico and Utah. Same-sex marriages are not allowed in any of those states.

Torog Reviewed by Torog on 06-04-2005. Navajo's Override Gay-Marriage Ban Veto Navajos Override Gay-Marriage Ban Veto June 04, 2005 3:51 AM EDT ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - The Navajo Nation's tribal government voted Friday to override its president's veto of a measure banning same-sex marriage on the nation's largest Indian reservation. The Dine Marriage Act of 2005 defines marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman. It also prohibits plural marriages as well as marriage between parents and children, grandparents and grandchildren, brothers and sisters and other Rating: 5

[XTC]

Kinda off topic about the whole Navajo topic, but I hate when people say why should homosexuals have "special" rights. hmmm Hello? their human just like you and I,they deserve every damn right we have. Torog man, I respect you and all, you seem like a cool guy, but all I have to say is, some people are blinded by their faith. If you're faith based and prejudice, then you're okay in society's eye. That whole thing about gays have an agenda to push on children and society is just lunacy.
Homophobics aren't alright, if learn to love, then you might love life is all I have to say.

[Stedric]

The circle of life?! Haha! I don't think the circle of life stopped them from running entire herds of buffalo off of a cliff.

It amazes me that some people actually think the mysteries of existence all boil down to procreation. Can't have oversimplification without simple, I guess.

Peace love and understanding.

[pisshead]

i would agree. equal rights, not special rights.

and how about it's none of the government's business who marries who...having a license to get married is just ludicrous...it has nothing to do with the government.

[Stedric]

i would agree. equal rights, not special rights.

and how about it's none of the government's business who marries who...having a license to get married is just ludicrous...it has nothing to do with the government.

Depends on your definition of "special" rights. I keep hearing all this bullshit about hate crime laws being hypocritical. In an ideal world, people would never be the targeted for violent crime because of their sexual orientation. But you and I both know this is far from a perfect world, so special measures need to be taken to protect our minority groups.

Marriage has been abused by heterosexuals for years, I don't see why we can't give homosexuals the same right to commit adultery, spousal abuse, and divorce as they see fit.

[Torog]

Kinda off topic about the whole Navajo topic, but I hate when people say why should homosexuals have "special" rights. hmmm Hello? their human just like you and I,they deserve every damn right we have. Torog man, I respect you and all, you seem like a cool guy, but all I have to say is, some people are blinded by their faith. If you're faith based and prejudice, then you're okay in society's eye. That whole thing about gays have an agenda to push on children and society is just lunacy.
Homophobics aren't alright, if learn to love, then you might love life is all I have to say.

Howdy XTC,

I thought that it was intersting,that the Navajo folk,rose up and over-rode a politically-correct decision,by an obviously liberal,'politician'. I believe in basic equal rights for gays,but I don't think that they should be able to marry,marriage traditionally calls for God's Blessing..and God will not bless such an abomination. You say that society okays a faith-based prejudice,but I say,that just the opposite is true,being a person of faith,usually results in being scorned and reviled..by today's liberal society.

For the millionth time..I do not fear gays,I view them as sinners..opposing their agenda,doesn't make me afraid of them..and they do have an agenda,they want equal rights,special rights and to destroy any faith-based rejection of homosexuality,as the sin that it is. Just because I oppose terrorism,doesn't make me afraid of terrorists,if anything..they should fear me.

I'm not blinded by my faith,my faith,makes me see clearer..I can 'see' evil,where you can't or refuse to see,because I don't make compromises with evil acts and behaviour..like amoral relativists.

I wonder,when the gays have finally secured all of their 'rights',and NAMBLA steps forward and begins lobbying for age of consent reductions..will you support them as well ? The members of NAMBLA,believe that it's their right,to have sexual relations with young boys..and if they are lobbying for a 'right',then they should have it-by golly ! NOT !!

Have a good one...

[Torog]

Depends on your definition of "special" rights. I keep hearing all this bullshit about hate crime laws being hypocritical. In an ideal world, people would never be the targeted for violent crime because of their sexual orientation. But you and I both know this is far from a perfect world, so special measures need to be taken to protect our minority groups.

Marriage has been abused by heterosexuals for years, I don't see why we can't give homosexuals the same right to commit adultery, spousal abuse, and divorce as they see fit.

Howdy Stedric,

One 'special right',that activist gays want,and have pretty much already been given..is the 'right' to go into public schools and step between parents and their children,in order to keep children of faith,from being intolerant of gays. They and their supporters,believe that it's their 'right',to 'de-program' a child raised to believe that homosexuality,is a sin. In so doing,they are denying children and their parents,the freedom of religion..and folks of Faith,are still in the majority..despite the best efforts of amoral relativists,the Left,secular humanists and anti-God and anti-religionists.

Have a good one....

[Marlboroman]

Navajos Override Gay-Marriage Ban Veto
June 04, 2005 3:51 AM EDT
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - The Navajo Nation's tribal government voted Friday to override its president's veto of a measure banning same-sex marriage on the nation's largest Indian reservation.

The Dine Marriage Act of 2005 defines marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman. It also prohibits plural marriages as well as marriage between parents and children, grandparents and grandchildren, brothers and sisters and other close relatives.

Dine is the Navajos' name for themselves.

"In the traditional Navajo ways, gay marriage is a big no-no," said Kenneth Maryboy, a delegate from Montezuma Creek, Utah. "It all boils down to the circle of life. We were put on the earth to produce offspring."

The Tribal Council vote was 62-14, with 12 delegates abstaining or absent, to override Navajo President Joe Shirley Jr.'s veto last month.

"My feeling is that the reason they overrode the president's veto is that they have a huge animosity toward the president," said Percy Anderson, a gay rights organizer who started a Web site and petition to lobby against the marriage act.

Anderson, who previously held an elected office in the tribe's Manuelito, N.M., chapter, said he believes the council is locked in a power struggle. "They want to show the president that they are the governing body," Anderson said.

Maryboy disagreed, saying his constituents overwhelming oppose gay marriage and generally disapprove of gay relationships.

"My supporters told me to stay firmly against it, especially the ministers who join people in marriage," he said.

A spokesman for Shirley said he will issue a statement override over the weekend.

Delegate Larry Anderson of Fort Defiance, Ariz., author of the Dine Marriage Act, did not return numerous phone calls seeking comment.

The Navajo Nation, which has more than 180,000 residents, spans parts of Arizona, New Mexico and Utah. Same-sex marriages are not allowed in any of those states.

I dont see here that you actually give a point of view of your own here in this post. But you did give your response to people as they commented.

I would like to point out that the GOV should have nothing to do with people getting married. It is suppossed to be a bond under the eyes of the lord not a law maker.

I would also like to point out that All religion that sets a punishment like Hell that can only be proven false by the forfeit of your own life, is a system of control based on fear.

Allot of religion like Lutheran, only demand that you believe in the lord to go to heaven. To them it doesnt matter who you are or what so called sins you might have committed.

So with these religions out there that dont abide by man made laws in religion.

Are these people going to hell?

Are you going to heaven because you didnt eat meat on Fridays?

Or because to paid your Tithe?

It makes no difference whether homosexuals marry or not, whether you beleive in their right to do so or not.

They will be in heaven just the same as you, their religion tells them so. Just like yours tells you.

Peace.

[makor01]

love thy neighbor, and judge not let you be judged yourself...seems that alot of christians love to "judge" others now'a days. kinda overstepping your bounds if you ask me, or maybe forgetting the roots of your own religion. leave the judging up to god, if he infact finds them lacking then im sure theyll burn...but its not your place to say.
gays are living, breathing, human beings just like you and i... sexual preference is something that is nobody elses business, and the government has NO right and i mean NO right to tell a person who they can love/marry. as americans we have that right to choose what you want to be, be it gay or straight, christian, or muslim, it matters not.

[Stedric]

Howdy Stedric,

One 'special right',that activist gays want,and have pretty much already been given..is the 'right' to go into public schools and step between parents and their children,in order to keep children of faith,from being intolerant of gays. They and their supporters,believe that it's their 'right',to 'de-program' a child raised to believe that homosexuality,is a sin. In so doing,they are denying children and their parents,the freedom of religion..and folks of Faith,are still in the majority..despite the best efforts of amoral relativists,the Left,secular humanists and anti-God and anti-religionists.

Have a good one....

Teaching children tolerance is not the same as deprogramming them. Tolerance means that while you do not have to approve of homosexuality, you must learn to deal with the issue in an intelligent and non-hateful manner.

These groups are also smart enough to know that what they teach will never have as much power as what parents preach.

Kudos to my favourite veteran,

Stedric