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    Hurting Your Country

    Hurting Your Country By: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com
    Thursday, Jun 02, 2005 http://billoreilly.com/currentarticle

    So how did the USA go from being a beacon of freedom to a champion of the gulag? How exactly did that happen? Well, pull up a chair, here's what happened.

    After President Bush won re-election last November, there was much consternation among some powerful anti-Bush Americans. They were stunned that John Kerry lost and feared that if Bush succeeds in his second term, the Democrats would lose again in 2008.

    Then came the successful election in Iraq, and the fear on the left multiplied. If Iraq turned out to be a success, Mr. Bush would become a hero. So the need to undermine the Bush administration became more intense than ever. But how to do it? Social Security wasn't emotional enough, particularly for young voters. What could be done to hurt Bush?

    Then came the revelation--let's torture the President.

    The New York Times had already primed the pump, running more than 50 front-page stories on the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Then came reports from the International Red Cross that more abuse was happening at Guantanamo. The American Civil Liberties Union was already challenging detentions there and so a strategy was sealed: the Bush administration was full of torturers and human rights violators. It was ruining America's reputation throughout the world. Bush was a villain.

    It was easy to get that thesis out. The left-wing websites fed anti-Bush columnists like Bob Herbert and Richard Cohen information and the drumbeat intensified. There was torture and abuse and murder all sanctioned by the evil Bush administration. Article after article appeared and soon some TV people followed along. It didn't take long before the torture seed was fully sown.

    The Newsweek debacle slowed things down a little, but the anti-Bush press quickly banded together and pronounced that Newsweek's mistake would never have happened if Bush wasn't torturing everybody. I'm sure you read those opinion pieces, as they appeared in liberal newspapers all over the country. The theme and wording was so similar that one person could have written all of those articles. And that was no accident.

    All the while this was happening, the President and his crew were doing what they usually do when the press pounds them: nothing. They did not engage the abuse propaganda until it was obvious Newsweek had screwed up. But even that effort was derided by many in The White House press corps, who chided the administration for scolding Newsweek.

    Now the torture theme has new momentum. A liberal federal judge in New York City has ruled the Defense Department must release more photos and videos of Abu Ghraib to the ACLU. Of course, that will incite even more hatred against the USA and put our soldiers in more danger but, hey, politics comes before protecting the troops. The anti-Bush people want those pictures almost as badly as Al Jazeera wants them. Another nail in the President's coffin is more important than bodies in real coffins.

    If you think I am exaggerating, I assure you I am not. This torture campaign is being run brilliantly, and if Mr. Bush doesn't wise up soon, he will be bloodied just as Lyndon Johnson was in the Vietnam debacle.

    The truth is that abuse has occurred, but on a relatively small scale. According to General Richard Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the U.S. has detained about 68,000 people since 9/11 (most have been released), and there have been 325 investigations into alleged abuse. At this writing, about 100 cases of wrongdoing have been substantiated. That's not a big number, but it doesn't matter to the anti-Bush cabal, which understands that perception is reality in a nation where "reality programming" is the rage of the day. If you can sell the nation that America is now a war criminal, President Hillary Clinton is a real possibility. So there you have it. For the anti-Bush folks, it is simple: no pain, no gain. Torture is selling and the media is buying. For those of you who are appalled by this analysis, I can only say one thing: sometimes the truth, like torture, hurts.
    Torog Reviewed by Torog on . Hurting Your Country Hurting Your Country By: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com Thursday, Jun 02, 2005 http://billoreilly.com/currentarticle So how did the USA go from being a beacon of freedom to a champion of the gulag? How exactly did that happen? Well, pull up a chair, here's what happened. After President Bush won re-election last November, there was much consternation among some powerful anti-Bush Americans. They were stunned that John Kerry lost and feared that if Bush succeeds in his second term, Rating: 5

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    Hurting Your Country

    we are winning this fight.
    \"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"

    William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Hurting Your Country

    To fight with words on the battlefield of ideas is what a democracy is all about. But when the weapons are intellectual dishonesty in the hands of the mainstream national media, then the country is hurt, and we need to speak out.

    I expect guys like Michael Moore to compare Abu Graib to a Nazi death camp, but when the mainstream media paints such pictures, without facts, then it borders on treason, clearly an abuse of their freeedom of speech.

    Liberals and Conservatives should all be outraged.

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    Hurting Your Country

    agreed
    \"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"

    William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Hurting Your Country

    LMAO your source is Bill OLielly!! This guy lies so much they had to set up a website to sort of his lies www.lies.com

    Again I have to ask Torog and Amster...with all your love of country and flag waving..why aren't you joining the fight to SAVE your country? And don't give me some pussy ass "I have a felony line" it won't work.. I personally know people in the marines WITH FELONIES. So what is it...why don't you join up...they are begging for people...see... http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=810405
    you are letting your country down...you support this war so much you should be fighting it. You need to be there and see it up close. You really need to see that 20 year old kid that came in TUesday with his face burned completely off, his nose gone, both ear drums exploded, Hey they saved an eye. You hear about the US soldiers killed. WHat you aren't hearing are the injuries.
    Come on my little yellow arm chair soldiers....serve your country...
    CAT

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    Hurting Your Country

    Quote Originally Posted by amsterdam
    we are winning this fight.
    No YOU aren't winning anything. Don't brag when you have not done shit...

    My father died from Agent Orange, my husband went to Vietnam, my son in law went to Iraq and my son is there now...We have earned the right to speak out. How about you? People like you make me sick. You play with other people lives and have total disreguard for human life itself. You don't lay in bed at night and worry about your child being torn apart. You are disgusting. Shut the fuck up or join you chicken shit little coward.

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    Hurting Your Country

    and my great grandfather died from mustard gas in the trenches of world war 1??

    hahahah!funny hearing a demorat talk about human life isnt it?lol.

    love your "intellectual" quote there at the bottom.chompsky??lol.
    \"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"

    William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Hurting Your Country

    only a liberal could think that guy is worth quoting.


    maybe i should quote coulter,same thing.
    \"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"

    William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Hurting Your Country

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCat
    Come on my little yellow arm chair soldiers....serve your country...
    CAT
    Cat does have a solid point that it's easy to support a war when there is no personal sacrifice. The troops and their families are sacrificing while the rest of us give up nothing. In WW2, there was rationing and mothers were sent to the factories. Hell, even our sports superstars had to serve.

    I have no answer to this, and it is off of the topic, but it is something to consider. If we all had sons, daughters, brothers, and sisters, with their lives on the line, would we still be so supportive ??

    In WW2 the answer was YES.

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    Hurting Your Country

    i donate thousands of dollars of money i WORK for to the troops,specifically to snipers.

    my best friend is a sniper in baghdad and i talk to him all the time by e-mail.i still support the war.
    \"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"

    William F. Buckley Jr.

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