Hurting Your Country

[amsterdam]

its the same thing every time,your stupid and im not.lol.

thats why your party has no power and mine runs the world and our country?you probably were one of those sob stories that believed a high voter turnout was gonna help john frenchy and his lap dog trial lawyer.i cant wait for the mid-terms.whatever happened to tom dashle?oh, thats right.

[BlueCat]

WOW thats was a brilliant come back...have some more rope.

[amsterdam]

we used all the rope in november '04.

[DonnieDarko]

and what are those reasons for going to war that you support?

Iraqs failover over many years to abide by the UN resolution for arms inspections, together with the reasonable assumption that unchecked WMDs could likely end up in the hands of Al Quaida.

Also contributing to my stance was that in November 2002, the country (both political parties) were together in favor of military action, if necessary, if Iraq did not comply.

[bhallg2k]

Yeah, ain't it a bitch that liberals wouldn't let the Bush administration get away with practicing torture?

(Just trying to steer this thread back to the point; I'm really tired of talking about Bush's lies for war)

The article says torture isn't as widespread as the media would have you believe, but O'Lielly forgot to mention the countless "detainees" that are sent to places like Egypt where torture is legal and very well-practiced. Wonder how that didn't make it into the piece?

The bastard also rather conveniently forgot that when he was White House Counsel, Attorney General Gonzales justified the use of torture as a means to get information out of "enemy combatants." If the cases of torture are overblown and only being committed at the direction of low-ranking troops, why is advice on torture being given at the highest level?

And lastly, not only is torture not an effective means to interrogate prisoners (any psychiatrist will tell you that a person will say anything to give them relief of extreme duress, even, gasp, lie), it's highly dangerous for American troops abroad. Torture is outlawed by the Geneva Convention because the only way a nation can try to influence how its troops are treated by the enemy is if they treat their own prisoners fairly. Why doesn't Patriot Bill "Felafel" O'Reilly express his outrage over that? Certainly any conservative worth his salt would be livid over anything that could cause harm to our military.

But no, it's the big, bad liberal media's fault. I don't get it.

What the hell is wrong with people that think this way? Since when did it become more of a sin to report a crime than to commit the damn thing?

And fuck anybody who says that's "hurting America" or "being unpatriotic." That's the most insidious bullshit thinkable. Standing around while people trample the Constitution and international law (the ones that protect us too) is the real treason.

[amsterdam]

what torture?

[DonnieDarko]

what torture?

This thread !!!!

I really shouldn't be hanging out on this thread. While I like good healthy debate, based on facts, when we start talking about Bush transporting detainees to Egypt to be tortured, we're not far from space aliens. Or maybe I'm just uninformed.

Anyway, I'll try again some other day.

[bhallg2k]

I really shouldn't be hanging out on this thread. While I like good healthy debate, based on facts, when we start talking about Bush transporting detainees to Egypt to be tortured, we're not far from space aliens. Or maybe I'm just uninformed.

You are.

Groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have issued numerous reports, one as late as May 10 of this year, stating the fact that Egypt is the main recipient of detainees around the world. Since torture is forbidden by U.S. law, detainees are sent there for "interrogation."

In fact, that's the main reason U.S. held "enemy combatants" are in Cuba. U.S. law doesn't apply there. And apparently we don't honor the Geneva Convention anywhere.

[pisshead]

do a simple google search for 'cia charter flights' and add the word 'egypt' to that for fun...

[nicholasstanko]

I just want to point out that i support blue cat and look with shame at amsterdam. Why do ou hold onto Bush and his actions so dearly? And for real, this felony shit doesnt cut it any more. Ive got a couple of friends that get hassled by recruiters because if they serve it'll look good when covering up the charge. Felonies arent valid for rejection anymore buddy. And so what if your great grandaddy died in ww1 80 fuckin years ago? if anything he'd rolling in his grave with all the ww1 and ww2 vets who actually sacrificed their lives for a true patriotic purpose. You support bush and the war? well then stop taking the prep school way out with your goddamn care packages. saddle up with your m-16 and blow the face off of a couple more 12 year old unarmed "insurgents".