so whats wrong with being a liberal?

[Torog]

Is Torog real? Like...hes a real person living some where??

He literally said that people against war are unpatriotic and social engineering. He keeps saying liberals hate capitalism and only like others who trash talk Bush and republicans whilst he is only making stereotypes about 'liberals'...or is it people against war...or homosexuals? Or are they all the same in his eyes?

Howdy U4,

You better believe that I'm real ! I live in North Central Texas and yer welcome to come and visit anytime you want. Just be sure to drive the speed limit,especially if yer bringin any smoke with ya The cops are mostly redneck in the rural areas where I'm at,the city-slicker cops are usually too busy to be much of a problem.

I ain't as nearly redneck as most of the folks around here,they are much worse than me and believe that most of America's ills and problems,are the fault of liberals,gays and muslim jihadists..also..add France to that list,and any euro's that want to appease the terrorists.

What part of America are ya from ? Are you an American ?

Have a good one....

[Kombucha]

Oh well, even if you are mis-informed, you're still all right, Torog

[Torog]

Oh well, even if you are mis-informed, you're still all right, Torog

Howdy Kombucha,

Thanx for them kind words..even if you are mis-informed..I still think that you're okay...lol

Have a good one !

[Funken Monken]

OK - can someone now post a 'you are a republican if..." type questionnaire on here? Think I should see ifI fit in that one any better.....

[PurplePotatoes]

Although it was the Democrats in the south that wanted to keep slavery and the evangelistic republicans up in the north wanted to abolish it, you must also think of this. The REPUBLICANS were the ones who didn't want the blacks to gain any rights during the Civil rights moevment (blindly, saying it was that way and it should be this way for the rest of time), while the democrats/liberals, were protesting the black oppression and wanted equal rights in general.

Oh yeah, you say the conservative folk around you (that aren't hippies like you) pick on gay people. Do they also pick on black people? Because I'm trying to understand why you still try to bring up the slaves argument...

But Torog, I really don't like the fact you're so paranoid . I mean, I guess it's good in some sense, but I guess in social situations it could be a bad thing.

And Torog, what's your favorite president? I know my favorite president, and it's a Democrat alright .

And Torog, we love you but you're so.. for a lack of better words... weird? We aren't trying to change you or change your beliefs (except for the gay marriage thread you somewhat had an epiphany, if it still holds true on how you feel), but we just want to understand where you're coming from. You just seem so alienated from the rest of people (maybe your part of Texas is it's own little country?), not saying it's wrong, but just kinda strange.

Thanks!

[BlueCat]

maybe it was you that stepped out of the room during the history channels Lincoln....I tried to find a transcript but have not had any luck...they were not as detailed as this article from the washington post but the history channel did mention this book and some of its contents....it was toward the end of the show...really though with rasicm as bad as it was in the 50s and 60s why should we be surprised?

THE WASHINGTON TIMES
May 26, 2000

Abraham Lincoln "was a racist who opposed equal rights for black people, who loved minstrel shows, who used the N-word, who wanted to deport all blacks," a veteran journalist and historian says.

"There has been a systematic attempt to keep the American public from knowing the real Lincoln and the depth of his commitment to white supremacy," says Lerone Bennett Jr., whose new book, "Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream," examines Lincoln's record.

Drawing on historical documents, "Forced Into Glory" chronicles Lincoln's racial beliefs and his actions toward blacks and slavery:

* Lincoln publicly referred to blacks by the most offensive racial slur. In one speech, Lincoln said he opposed the expansion of slavery into the territories because he didn't want the West "to become an asylum for slavery and n-----s."

* Lincoln was, in the words of one friend, "especially fond of Negro minstrel shows," attending blackface performances in Chicago and Washington. At an 1860 performance of Rumsey and Newcomb's Minstrels, Lincoln "clapped his great hands, demanding an encore, louder than anyone" when the minstrels performed "Dixie." Lincoln was also fond of what he called "darky" jokes, Mr. Bennett documents.

* Lincoln envisioned and advocated an all-white West, declaring at Alton, Ill., in 1858, that he was "in favor of our new territories being in such a condition that white men may find a home ... as an outlet for free white people everywhere, the world over."

* Lincoln supported his home state's law, passed in 1853, forbidding blacks to move to Illinois. The Illinois state constitution, adopted in 1848, called for laws to "effectually prohibit free persons of color from immigrating to and settling in this state."

* Lincoln blamed blacks for the Civil War, telling them, "But for your race among us there could not be a war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or another."

* Lincoln claimed that "the people of Mexico are most decidedly a race of mongrels. I understand that there is not more than one person there out of eight who is pure white."

* Repeatedly over the course of his career, Lincoln urged that American blacks be sent to Africa or elsewhere.

In 1854, Lincoln declared his "first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia; to their own native land." In 1860, Lincoln called for the "emancipation and deportation" of slaves.

In his State of the Union addresses as president, he twice called for the deportation of blacks. In 1865, in the last days of his life, Lincoln said of blacks, "I believe it would be better to export them all to some fertile country with a good climate, which they could have to themselves."

Such facts may not be well-known, but they are "not hidden in the records. ... You can't read the Lincoln record without realizing all that," Mr. Bennett says.



Pretty interesting,eh?
Cat

[Torog]

Although it was the Democrats in the south that wanted to keep slavery and the evangelistic republicans up in the north wanted to abolish it, you must also think of this. The REPUBLICANS were the ones who didn't want the blacks to gain any rights during the Civil rights moevment (blindly, saying it was that way and it should be this way for the rest of time), while the democrats/liberals, were protesting the black oppression and wanted equal rights in general.

Oh yeah, you say the conservative folk around you (that aren't hippies like you) pick on gay people. Do they also pick on black people? Because I'm trying to understand why you still try to bring up the slaves argument...

But Torog, I really don't like the fact you're so paranoid . I mean, I guess it's good in some sense, but I guess in social situations it could be a bad thing.

And Torog, what's your favorite president? I know my favorite president, and it's a Democrat alright .

And Torog, we love you but you're so.. for a lack of better words... weird? We aren't trying to change you or change your beliefs (except for the gay marriage thread you somewhat had an epiphany, if it still holds true on how you feel), but we just want to understand where you're coming from. You just seem so alienated from the rest of people (maybe your part of Texas is it's own little country?), not saying it's wrong, but just kinda strange.

Thanks!

Howdy Purple,

Actually,it's not the conservative folks ,per se,that pick on gays and blacks,it's the rednecks that do that,most of the conservatives around here,behave for the most part.

As for talk about slavery,I think that Blue Cat,brought that up first..I think..let me be clear,I don't approve of slavery,and my fellow Christians,are buying Christians out of slavery,at the hands of muslims,even as we speak. But I reckon,that since it's Christians being enslaved by muslims,no one cares..and many probably approve.

As for my 'paranoia'..it's really the awareness and alertness,that every citizen/soldier,should embrace. I have been on a war-time footing,since 9/11/01..it's my sworn duty..to be alert and responsive to any domestic or foreign threat.

My favorite president,is Ronald Reagan.

I do still believe that it was wrong for the Christian lady to act the way she did..my feelings about that,have not changed.

Yup..Texas is a 'whole 'nother country'..and you best not forgit it ! lol

Here in Texas,we love America and what it stands for,and we have the guts and the spine,to back it up..in the rest of America,folks are being told that they should be ashamed of what America stands for..I ain't having any part of that..and today,on Memorial Day,we honor those who've given their lives,so that other might be free.

Have a good one ....

[Button Basher]

I have to say I admire that. Our VE day was nothing short of half-arsed this year.

Commemorating those that served has become something for old people in this country.

[IntrepidS]

The way I see it, conservatives are always missing a part of the picture. Since their views are so one-sided, they are blinded from seeing and understanding many very important things. The liberals are the truly the smart people of our world. Sure, they may not be making millions of dollars a year, but they sure as hell undesrand what's best for you, for me, and for our world.

I think conservative views are for those who are mindless, and are unable to form their own values and ideals regarding our world.

[Kombucha]

Howdy Purple,

Actually,it's not the conservative folks ,per se,that pick on gays and blacks,it's the rednecks that do that,most of the conservatives around here,behave for the most part.

As for talk about slavery,I think that Blue Cat,brought that up first..I think..let me be clear,I don't approve of slavery,and my fellow Christians,are buying Christians out of slavery,at the hands of muslims,even as we speak. But I reckon,that since it's Christians being enslaved by muslims,no one cares..and many probably approve.

As for my 'paranoia'..it's really the awareness and alertness,that every citizen/soldier,should embrace. I have been on a war-time footing,since 9/11/01..it's my sworn duty..to be alert and responsive to any domestic or foreign threat.

My favorite president,is Ronald Reagan.

I do still believe that it was wrong for the Christian lady to act the way she did..my feelings about that,have not changed.

Yup..Texas is a 'whole 'nother country'..and you best not forgit it ! lol

Here in Texas,we love America and what it stands for,and we have the guts and the spine,to back it up..in the rest of America,folks are being told that they should be ashamed of what America stands for..I ain't having any part of that..and today,on Memorial Day,we honor those who've given their lives,so that other might be free.

Have a good one ....

Don't forget that not all Muslims are extremists. In fact, very few are. Some of them have been corrupted by bastards, and some of them have just always been bastards. Those that feel the need to murder and fight America are, funnily enough, extreme conservatives. They just believe in conserving different things to you.