Howdy Blue Cat,

You state:" It is not wrong to be a liberal, a liberal is somebody who sets the rules of the game to improve society, rather than trying to impose control on a personal level. It is not wrong to believe that people's private lives should be preserved against unwarranted intrusions. ( like the patriot act) "

You say that ' a liberal is somebody who sets the rules.'...I take that to mean, that liberals believe that they can make uni-lateral,arbritary decisions..justified by the percieved need to engage in social engineering,for the sake of 'progress',and often accomplished by liberal,activist, judges. The result is that you do impose control on a personal level. I agree with you on the privacy issue..but we did need some of the tools in the Patriot Act,because of liberal judges,who are more worried about the rights of muslim jihadists,than American citizens. I don't want any part of a national id card,it could very well be the mark of the beast,and if I can..I'll use religious conviction to opt out.

You ask: " SO what are you conservatives trying to conserve.....slavery, prohibition, maybe women should not vote? Maybe we should bring back the witch hunts
and the puritain days... "

Actually,it was the Republican Party,that passed the abolution of slavery act..not the Democrats.

Prohibition has never worked.

America and the Coalition,have expanded the right of women to vote,in a part of the world,that still treats women as second-class citizens and worse,good men and women,have given their all,to promote Freedom..where there was none.

I wish to conserve and preserve,traditional families and values,because they have served us well,as the solid building blocks of the world's greatest country. I took an oath ,made before God,to defend,preserve and protect,the United States of America and the Constitution,I take that oath,very seriously..and to that end,I will remain steadfast.

Have a good one ...