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    #1
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    so whats wrong with being a liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by amsterdam
    makes work go by fast.good entertainment!!

    wierd,i doubt the people in the ukraine or the women in afghanistan or kuwait,poland,iraq would agree with you but thats your opinion.its a tough job,someones gotta do it.
    I understand Afghanistan and Kuwait. Agree that untilmately the world is a better place without Saddam but don't really think many of the people there really dig Bush given the current state of things. Time will tell...

    But why would the people of the Ukraine or Poland support the republicans? Did I miss something while I was blazing one day?
    Fengzi Reviewed by Fengzi on . so whats wrong with being a liberal? Is it not oxymoronic to smoke dope AND be a republican?! :confused: lets look at the meanings...look it up yourself if you don't trust me...after all I am a bleeding heart liberal. :rolleyes: "Lib · er · al - adj. 1. Giving freely 2. Not restricted to literal meaning (a liberal interpretation) 3. Tolerant of different views, not orthodox 4. Favoring reform -n. 1. A liberal person....thats me... :D Con · ser · va · tive - adj. 1. Conserving or tending to conserve 2. tending to Rating: 5
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    #2
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    so whats wrong with being a liberal?

    not republicans,bush.because he is spreading democracy and people who have actually lived under communism can appreciate that.

    i believe the 8 and a half million iraqis who voted pledged their support for democracy.how do people forget that fast.jan 2 was a day i will never forget.after listening for months how it wasnt possible to hold elections,or it was too dangerous.watching those people vote was one of the most incredible things i have ever seen.
    \"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"

    William F. Buckley Jr.

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    #3
    Senior Member

    so whats wrong with being a liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by amsterdam
    like i said wierd,i lived in holland for two years and traveled all over including beirut,saudi arabia and morocco and never saw much drama.im sure you would find it hard to believe but most of the young people in the middle east support bush secretly.they hate the mullahs?as for europe,dont overexagerate,it aint as bad as you say it is.i am no untraveled american and have seen what it is like.it is nothing.
    What the fuck? You made absolutely no sense just then. I'm baffled!

    I'm not trying to put you down, I literally didn't get a fucking word of that.

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    #4
    Senior Member

    so whats wrong with being a liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by del...
    most conservatives are for state rights and small federal govt. conservatives, in general, are for less govt period...not just big biz. libertarians have a better handle on what should be done and how and they're not all that far from the conservatives...there are more than 2 choices.

    and no, we don't own guns for protection nearly as much as we own guns because we can...
    there are millions of gun owners in this country and guns are used for protection far more than they are used to harm someone intentionally or accidentally.



    * Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every yearâ??or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.2
    * Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense with a firearm every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America"â??a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.3
    * Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%.4
    * Anti-gun journal pronounces the failure of the Brady law. One of the nationâ??s leading anti-gun medical publications, the Journal of the American Medical Association, found that the Brady registration law has failed to reduce murder rates. In August 2000, JAMA reported that states implementing waiting periods and background checks did "not [experience] reductions in homicide rates or overall suicide rates."5
    * Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. Thatâ??s right. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period.6
    * More guns, less crime. In the decade of the 1990s, the number of guns in this country increased by roughly 40 millionâ??even while the murder rate decreased by almost 40% percent.7 Accidental gun deaths in the home decreased by almost 40 percent as well.8
    * CDC admits there is no evidence that gun control reduces crime. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has long been criticized for propagating questionable studies which gun control organizations have used in defense of their cause. But after analyzing 51 studies in 2003, the CDC concluded that the "evidence was insufficient to determine the effectiveness of any of these [firearms] laws."9
    * Gun shows are NOT a primary source of illegal guns for criminals. According to two government studies, the National Institute of Justice reported in 1997 that "less than two percent [of criminals] reported obtaining [firearms] from a gun show."10 And the Bureau of Justice Statistics revealed in 2001 that less than one percent of firearm offenders acquired their weapons at gun shows.11




    that page goes on forever...

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    #5
    Senior Member

    so whats wrong with being a liberal?

    Quote Originally Posted by amsterdam
    right on.
    then why do you cheer on the neoconservatives and their record budgets and their gigantic growth in government, and the addition of unconstitutional legislation? they make clinton look conservative.

    you call yourself a conservative?

  7.     
    #6
    Senior Member

    so whats wrong with being a liberal?

    no i dont call myself a conservative at all?
    \"even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value,marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.\"

    William F. Buckley Jr.

  8.     
    #7
    Senior Member

    so whats wrong with being a liberal?

    What do you need a gun to protect yourself from?

    Oh yeah, another person with a gun.

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    #8
    Senior Member

    so whats wrong with being a liberal?

    oh i'm sorry...it was hydrizzle that called you and torog the only true conservatives on this site. i found that weird considering bush is incredibly liberal in a lot of areas.

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    #9
    Senior Member

    so whats wrong with being a liberal?

    [QUOTE=amsterdam]not republicans,bush.because he is spreading democracy and people who have actually lived under communism can appreciate that.
    QUOTE]

    Mmmnnn....have to disagree with you here. My wife lived under communism, most of my in laws still do, and I've had my own issues living in a communist country, but we all still think Bush is an idiot.

    I find it interesting that you have the opinions that you do having lived overseas. When I lived overseas it was a complete eye opener. What I found is that most people were not ready to jump on the next boat to the U.S. and were strongly against U.S. foriegn policy. Granted, I did live in Asia, not Europe so I'm sure opinions are different there. I did live for a while, however, in an international dorm which had many European, African, and Asian students all living together and most shared the same opinion.

    One thing that I did find is that most people could seperate average Americans from the U.S. Government. Almost everyone I met liked Americans, at least the younger layed back ones not the older, rich "ugly Americans", even if they did not support the government. I am wondering if you did not mistake friendliness for the average American for a general support of the U.S. and its policies?
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    #10
    Senior Member

    so whats wrong with being a liberal?

    Can someone please (likey a US Republican voter) post a 'Are you a Liberal' questionnaire on here please ? I just wanna be sure.....

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