so whats wrong with being a liberal?

[ezjim]

i can go with left or right the 2cnd amendment is vital to protection from the govt declaring martial law the left wont admit this i could change my mind if the police and milatary disarmed first the right wont give up that abortion thing they could also win me over on that by doing 1 thing ....feeding /clothing /sheltering and educating every child on the planet until they do both these things i dont want to here a word from either we have wasted enough time fighting over dumb shit on this planet its way past time petty differances were put aside so some real change can take place that will benifit every one instead of a small group of power hungry assholes who unfortunatley have conned us into fighting each other instead of them

[ShamanicHippy]

I beleive in both conservative and Liberal principals. I am definitly anti-war (liberal) but I am also anti-abortion and anti-taxes (conservative) on the abortion thing. how can liberals beleive that it is wrong to put rape-murderers to death and beleive that it is acceptable to murder a fetus. come on, which one, if either, deserves to die (i will give you a hint, it isnt the unborn child) how can you beleive that it is ok to kill unborn babies. In california it is legal to have an abortion even as the baby is emerging from the womb. that is wrong. i guess I would have to say I am a libertarian.... mostly

[mrdevious]

Has anybody on the planet considered being a critical thinker?

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... didn't think so

[Mojavpa]

Has anybody on the planet considered being a critical thinker?

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... didn't think so

Most critical thinkers I know are liberals

[JSTA]

"u have 2 choices when your an american: u vote for the dumb or the dumbest"
lol, so true

[llamaman666]

I think it's a problem because then Torog doesn't like you and you are unpatriotic

[Hydrizzle]

Fist off, there are, like, 3 real conservative republicans on this site, Torog, Amsterdam, and some other guy who doesnt post alot. I know it seems like anyone who disagrees is a conservative, but that's not the case. I have met many people who think I am some neo-con, because I say that abortion is murder, and that not only do i support action in Iraq, I support further action in more corrupt/brutal reigims. Also, I don't automatically bash Bush on all avaliable aspects of his presidency. I am more likely do defend him for the reasons that most attack him.... I don't like him because he places more importance on crap like space exploration and medical benifits, instead of confronting ongoing genocide on the 3rd world.

To be extreme is to be unreasonable, whether you are on the liberal or conservative side... you have to see both sides of the issue and go on principal, not what the media tells you. So many people on this board are so extremely obsessed/brainwashed by things like Michael Moore and other liberal blogs and conspiracy-therory websites, they are completety sure that Bush caused 911 intentionally, he is in league with Saudis to weaken America for his own benifit, the conservatives are going to move the poor into camps, etc, etc... Meanwhile Torog posts about how you should pray and other brainless crap copied from Hannity and Rush. My point is, it's all garbage, on both sides, pumped into people's brains by the media. Form your own opinions and be independent, rather than copying other's views and labeling yourself a "liberal" or "conservative"

[likemclever]

Iâ??m sorry but Conservative and liberal values donâ??t necessarily fit into nice little dictionary definitions.

Iâ??m glad you left the pronunciations of the words intact or we might not know how to say the words correctlyâ?¦nice touch.

Any group that allows the likes of Michael where are the Twinkies Moore and donâ??t even get me started on â??Hanoiâ?� Jane to hijack their party is not a group I care to affiliate with.

Iâ??m a registered Independent by the wayâ?¦

And Torog has the right to say whatever the fuck he likes if you push his buttons (just like anybody else.)

Iâ??m so sick of all the politically correct bull shit were we have to make nice with everyone. And if you donâ??t make nice than youâ??re somehow a hateâ?¢monâ?¢ger.

This is Americaâ?¦we have always been a group of feisty pricks and I plan on continuing that legacy.

[mrdevious]

Most critical thinkers I know are liberals

damn right

[Kombucha]

I don't think believing that abortinon is murder is particularly conservative... I'm no too sure what to believe - I think that in the first few days it is no problem to abort otherwise you may as well say that everyone must use every single sperm and egg they have to create a new person. However, once it gets to a certain stage I really don't like the idea, especially if it's for some stupid girl who couldn't be arsed to use contraceptives.

As for believing that you should execute rape muderers... if you are a Christian, you should not believe in that. "Thou shalt not kill..." and all the stuff about not judging people. I believe that no human has the right to decide whether another dies or not, except if it is immediately necessary for the defence of others or youself. Isn't that why murderers are wrong? Because they kill people? What right do governors and judges have to say whether someone should die or not?
People should be put in prison if they break the law, to remove them from society, to make them suitable for society (in some cases) and as a deterrent. It should not be a punishment. Americans are so full of hate for others, and I can't believe how bent on revenge some people are if they think someone murdered someone in their family. It amazes me to hear of people who go to see people's executions so they can gloat. Someone who is bad enough to do that is just as bad as the murdered, and I have no sympathy for them.

One of the other reasons I am opposed to the death penalty is the time it takes to die, and the pain the victim suffers. If someone is condemned to death, that is it. They are sentenced to lose their life, not lose their life painfully. Gas chambers, electric chairs and lethal injections could all easily be painless, but the sadistic bastards make sure it really hurts. It makes you wonder who really deserves to die - the murderer, or the person that constantly executes people in a horrible way, and probably enjoys it.

If you are really a Christian (as a lot of die-hard conservatives are) you would believe that you should not punish them, just remove them from society so people are safe, and let God judge them when they are dead.