so whats wrong with being a liberal?

[BlueCat]

Is it not oxymoronic to smoke dope AND be a republican?!
lets look at the meanings...look it up yourself if you don't trust me...after all I am a bleeding heart liberal.

"Lib · er · al - adj. 1. Giving freely 2. Not restricted to literal meaning (a liberal interpretation) 3. Tolerant of different views, not orthodox 4. Favoring reform -n. 1. A liberal person....thats me...

Con · ser · va · tive - adj. 1. Conserving or tending to conserve 2. tending to preserve established traditions or institutions or to oppose any changes in these (conservative politics) 3. of or characteristic of a conservative


It is not wrong to be a liberal, a liberal is somebody who sets the rules of the game to improve society, rather than trying to impose control on a personal level. It is not wrong to believe that people's private lives should be preserved against unwarranted intrusions. ( like the patriot act) It is not wrong to believe that when the government sides with somebody, they should side fairly, not add their power to that of the powerful each and every time. Were the british right to attack the USA during the revolutionary war and tell us we could not bare arms? So Why should we set the rules? Why is it our rules are the only right ones as far as neocons go?

It is not wrong to believe that it should be the market economy serving our interests, not us serving what some elite deems to be the market's interests. (like halliburton and chemiclas, oil, weapons) We should not have to forgo transparency in corporate finance, truth in corporate accounting, and the ability to lead long, happy, and healthy lives, just so some executive who's going to pay himself more money anyways ( can you say ENRON) doesn't see a bite out of his bottom line. Even in purely economic terms, these practices are not without cost to the public.

In the United States, liberals like Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglass focused also on universal suffrage, but liberalism in the United States really began with the goals of abolishing slavery and expanding women's rights to create an atmosphere in which universal suffrage was possible. American conservatives were the liberals' adversaries in that they were very class based and generally pro-slavery. The ideas and beliefs of early conservatives and liberals are important because they have helped to shape the modern world in which we live.
SO what are you conservatives trying to conserve.....slavery, prohibition, maybe women should not vote? Maybe we should bring back the witch hunts
and the puritain days...

And, Democrats need to stop cooperating in the destruction of liberalism. We should be proud of it. The excesses of Conservatism are plain to see, people in America are getting sick of it, and yet, we're still willing to play like we're GOP-lite.


So what is it about consevativism i.e. the republicans you want to be a part of? Really I want to know...


THE SHORT FAQ ON LIBERALISM
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/ShortFAQ.htm#conservatism

http://zena.secureforum.com/Znet/zma...ne97herman.htm

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BlueCat Reviewed by BlueCat on 05-25-2005. so whats wrong with being a liberal? Is it not oxymoronic to smoke dope AND be a republican?! :confused: lets look at the meanings...look it up yourself if you don't trust me...after all I am a bleeding heart liberal. :rolleyes: "Lib · er · al - adj. 1. Giving freely 2. Not restricted to literal meaning (a liberal interpretation) 3. Tolerant of different views, not orthodox 4. Favoring reform -n. 1. A liberal person....thats me... :D Con · ser · va · tive - adj. 1. Conserving or tending to conserve 2. tending to Rating: 5

[mellow mood]

im not part of any of them. yes i dont see how you can be a hippie pot smoker and be conservative republican, but really from my opinion both are so bad. and theres a politic forum eh

[BlueCat]

so the answers should be interesting if I get any....debate keeps me from thinking of other shit...what can I say I ask for it...
hey theres a good thread... A VENT thread like for smokr2 you know the seizure lady..venting is important. What do you think?

PEACE cat

[Kombucha]

I don't see anyone can be anything but stupid if they are a conservative. Being automatically opposed to change is stupid. Sure if the world were perfect, but it clearly isn't.

[Jake0steve]

Ya, being opposed to change is stupid. I don't like changes in my life really, but the world definately needs them man.

[mellow mood]

what? are ya all sayin stickin to the ol american chart, sayin u need a gun to protect yourself, isnt good 200 years later? or death punishment?

lol well yea seriously i think conservative is stupid. but thats my opinion. and i think liberals are stupid too, but not as the conservatives

u have 2 choices when your an american: u vote for the dumb or the dumbest

[GHoSToKeR]

right on, BlueCat

[del...]

most conservatives are for state rights and small federal govt. conservatives, in general, are for less govt period...not just big biz. libertarians have a better handle on what should be done and how and they're not all that far from the conservatives...there are more than 2 choices.

and no, we don't own guns for protection nearly as much as we own guns because we can...

[BlueCat]

im not part of any of them. yes i dont see how you can be a hippie pot smoker and be conservative republican, but really from my opinion both are so bad. and theres a politic forum eh

ever read Dantes Inferno...? there are these different levels to hell in one level people have to carry a white flag that represents nothing....if they stopped running they took root in the ground, fire rained down on them until they burned to death and it all started over for them again
It was punishment for never taking a stand...its fantasy but has a point.
hope your are good and stoned to get the full effect of that image LOL


pretty freaky but I think a voice is better than no voice at all otherwise we would still be in the darkages....although if we stay on the present path we
will go full circle and end up back there anyway, maybe your are right who gives a shit,eh?

[BlueCat]

most conservatives are for state rights and small federal govt. conservatives, in general, are for less govt period...not just big biz. libertarians have a better handle on what should be done and how and they're not all that far from the conservatives...there are more than 2 choices.

and no, we don't own guns for protection nearly as much as we own guns because we can...

that use to be the case...but now with the Neoconservatives they want more governmental control....and use fear as an excuse for it. They change the rules for more control like that patriot act or the fillibuster BS.
The Neocons are a whole new breed of conservative...