thanks for the help....i didnt kno about the 3-4 days to up the ppm....anyway...i put it at about 17-1800 and the leaves started to curl in and made the plant look rounded so i dropped it back down yesterday to about 1500 give or take......the top leaves are lookin good but the bottom are still a little shabby. im hopin to get past this stage within the next few days. also, i broke my ph pen so im waiting the return of that and i haven't been able to measure the ph but i buy water at about 6.5 so i should be ok for now right? how many times a day do u water your plants by the way because i have mine at about 4 minute intervals 7 hours apart throughout the day and i was wonderin if maybe its not enough or too much? thanks for any additional feedback given to me.