Quote Originally Posted by pisshead
yeah...i read the army's own 47 page report that was publicly released, and little reported...probably a year ago, maybe less...

they describe some pretty gruesome stuff...stuff you could only call torture.

but i guess saddam was only blowing off a little steam when he tortured too. it's all good.
Could you show what "gruesome stuff" that the U.S. troops did? I've read and heard of such things as bambo shoots under the nails, cutting off of limbs, sleep deprovation, being made to eat and drink your own waste in order to survive...etc.

The U.S. and the coallition forces, due to smart technology, made one of the most "humane" invasion attacks in history but when a smart bomb goes off track and civilian lives are lost we are called baby killers. Why? As I recall, during WW2 the Nazi's were ruthless in the attacks on the Soviet Union and the Soviets returned that with just as much or more ruthlessness onto the Germans. Burning of entire towns and crops, raping of women and children, lining up all men for execution as to exterminate any thoughts of resistance. And how do the governments of the Middle East deal with such people that we "tortured". Beheadings, cutting off of limbs, possible retaliation on their families. Did we really step that far out of bounds considering the "form of justice" that the region practices. My God, we even honored the sanctity of the Mosques knowing full well that fighters and weapons were being stored in them! Alot of countries during a time of war would have made the Mosque into a pile of rubble with a "to bad so sad" attitude about it.

As I remember, Sadamm didn't hold too much faith in the so called Geneva Convention act when he invaded Kuwait. Looting hospitals of goods, leaving helpless babies to die...etc....

Please tell me where the U.S. drastically crossed lines in regards to Iraq. I've been reading all this bullshit as how the war was about our greed for oil. Seems funny that the last oil contract signed for new fields in the Kurdish sector was to a Canadian firm. If crooked politicians from other countries would have stood by the Food for Oil contracts as intended instead of lining their pockets with kickbacks maybe we wouldn't have had to take matters into our hands. Oh yah, the United Nations should have the say....so says Kerry and Klan. Now we find the nations that were against the war were dirty with kickbacks and higher ups in the U.N. aren't much better. Due to their "Sadamm backing" how many thousands of Shiites and Kurds lost their lives? How many acts of torture was Sadamm able to achieve due to the help of these pissant countries? How many school girls was Sadamms boys able to rape due to this?

Now honestly sit down and look at past war history and the coruption of the U.N. system as it played out and tell me what horrible acts of torture the U.S. committed.

P.S. If you respond, Please, don't be from France....you government done enough!!!
Psycho4Bud Reviewed by Psycho4Bud on . I was only following orders ! After hearing the arguments put forward by the people accused of abusing Iraqi "prisoners" at Abu Ghraib prison I believe I may well have heard their excuses before. Wasn't the defense of Nazi soldiers who carried out the hollocaust "I was only following orders" ? They should be locked up for the shit they did and be subjected to what they put others through, IMO. Any thoughts ?? Rating: 5