well i'll put my two sents in on this one. I have smoked with my dad since i was 14 years old i am 38 now and we still have smokes together and we try and out grow each other i won this year my plants where the best and biggest out of ours he had too many males and he didn't pull out so he got seeds. Do u know how cool it is to bet your dad at growing the good stuff heehee He has so many more years at growing then me and i still beat him woohoo the joy to see him say you did better then me see dads dont know everything lol its great smoking with me dad we can talk about anything stoned its the best if u ask me.