dude, i usually crush 2 of the 7.5 ones, and i put them in like a shotglass of oj, and slam it, then i snort half another (probally a bad idea, except that i have so many sinus problems now that none of that shit really affects anything anymore). That tends to do it for me, i'm good for about 2 hours, and then chill for a while afterwards. Vicoden dreams are sweet, but its hard sleap right for remembering them