Been testing seems i need the warmer's 98.7 with warmer on and tucked into gooch for 1 hour tried without and could only get it to 94/96 figure i lose a few deg when i pour it so ima use the warmer. Also has anyone ever used quickfix plus on a ecup test the colour is real lite yellow i hope they don't say i diluted or something or will the ecup test say and not the collector