Thank you Burnt! Most of what I found on the web did say that there was no upper limits for creatinine, there just happened to be a couple of sites that said it could cause a red flag (though these were predominantly workout sites and seemed to be referring more in the world of athletics as opposed to pre-employment and could have easily been outdated).

I talked to the roommate this morning, and he is cool with providing a sub for me. Shouldn't have to worry about fluids- the only time either of us drinks a copious amount of water is when we drink, which generally only happens on Friday nights. Outside of that, we both usually have some sort of liquid on hand, but definitely not pushing it into the body.

Would you be able to weigh in on storage? With us as roommates, it seems less imperative- but I can't remember if a pre-employment style drug test is "You have 45 minutes to get there and be ready to present your sample" (at which point I better have some on hand on all the time!) or if it's "Take this test within the next three days and get the slip back to us" (to which I can take some time).

And do OTC Drug Screens have the same cut-off levels that the immunoassay would (checked Quest's website and their 10-panel will be immunoassay followed by GC/MS as needed)? I found a 10-Panel Cup through Wal-Mart that I was thinking of testing my subs with before the test (better safe than sorry), and that would also allow me to check and see if the girlfriend's prescription is cleared out if I do need to use hers for any reason.

I've been practicing practicing practicing! I think that is absolutely the best advice from N2 thread (and all around the forum) and it's definitely making me feel more comfortable! I've been gradually moving up the chain and adding more and more elements- I started with just pouring from the QF bottle to a shampoo bottle (if I can make it in a smaller container I'm ready for a wider one), then once I could do that moved onto storing the bottle in boxer briefs and doing a full trial run in underwear. Now I feel fairly comfortable doing it fully clothed, though I do want to start making less noise while going through with it, so some more practice is needed. I wasn't too happy with how easy it felt that the bottle could slip out of boxer briefs though, so I am going to go pick up some briefs tonight and sew some material into a little pouch in the crotch area, Once that's done, everything is a go!!!!

I don't think I'll have any more questions, so once I get this down I can go to my HR department and tell them I want to move to the new department! I don't know how quickly the test will be after that, but I will make sure to post my experience and my results- only fair for how much this board has helped me
Magic_Boots Reviewed by Magic_Boots on . Questions on Subbing Hey all, I was reading through the substitution thread, and was hoping to get a little more clarity on subbing an authentic urine sample. 1) Is gender still not relevant in an employment test? Searching the forums yielded an answer of no from 11/2012, but figured it doesn't hurt to ask when I'm creating a post anyways. While most of the concern raised around the topic seems to be about "What if I'm male and sub pregnant female", I was hoping to clarify that the testing group is not Rating: 5