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    #11
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    Adventures in Cloning.... help please?

    Oasis foam is a brand name, so I probably shouldn't use it, wallyworld has floral foam in crafts dept(expensive sub). Foam is sold in sheets to fit nursery grow trays, even has holes for seeds of that is your thing. Have seen in grow stores but expensive, and I am camera shy. So it's the one thing I internet, it's a pain with all the sneaky-sneak, so I buy a case every three or four years.

    Main thing to me, it's sterile, and holds water nice.Attachment 296005

    I usually only do forty at a time for headquarters, which only takes maybe ten girls that are ready to go to the bloom room, but it's easy to increase the number of someone wants a sog.

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    #12
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    Adventures in Cloning.... help please?

    Florist use it. Thats the green foam that hold flower arrangments in place. Most of the shops Ive worked in used 2-4 cases a week. I've had green arrangments start growing on me because everything rooted. I've even had the occasional rose take root, but that's usually depends on where the stem end was cut in relationship to location of a leaf node, & its kinda rare. Its especially good to use if you've had fungus issues. Its sterile & holds more water than a sponge.

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    #13
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    Adventures in Cloning.... help please?

    Since you like trying new things, you might get a kick out of seeing roots growing out of the cubes. I still prefer a sterile soiless seed starting medium of spaghnum & perlite, but everybody's different, that's why there are choices out there. But I do agree with Ranger & think you should give it a try &decide for yourself.

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    #14
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    Adventures in Cloning.... help please?

    I think I prefer a soiless seed starter too. I try and stick to soil-like mediums, it just seems more natural. Can I ask you about spaghnum? Do you prefer it over coco? I don't know anything about it. I've heard peat is too acid for mj. I've been at a loss to find a good seed starter - most store bought stuff seems to have food in it. The coco is ok, but has absolutely no nutritional value whatsoever. I've been trying to go between - mix coco with a little Ocean Forest. My seedlings grew like mad when I put them in the stuff a month ago. But they went through some weird reaction I haven't figured out. Grew like crazy, then one clawed up, one slowed way down and had brown leaf edges, and even the robust one had brown edges. I tried to be patient with them till old enough to feed, and they now seem to like the food and new leaves look good (occasional brown tip). They're not supposed to have food the first 2 weeks, and even looked like they had too much... or not enough. I'm still confused as to what was off.

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    #15
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    Adventures in Cloning.... help please?

    Milled spaghnum has been shredded, sometimes ground. Better brands (especially in seed starter mixes) have been pH ballanced & stabilized. I don't care for coco. Bad experience with the one I got having enough salt to KILL. If you've found one you like, DONT CHANGE BRANDS, or you may wind up repeating my experience. Peat pots are bad because they loose that pH stability, cheaper stabilization process.
    ---- You had nute burn. Fox Farms ocean forest too rich for seedlings. I love it. Its what I transplant into about a week before 12/12, but I still cut it a little. 3 pts ocean forest, 1 pt pro-mix organic. Love pro-mix organic, but nutes aren't long lasting enough to see you through to the end. Only about 1/2 way. I use pro-mix standard as a seed starter for all plants, veg & floweres too. Mostly milled spagnum & perlite, no nutes, so no seedling burn. I start my seedlings off by watering with fish tank water, but it MUST be from an untreated tank. No meds or salt. I like the fact that there's low, non burning nutes & TRACE ELEMENTS here, but mostly growth hormones that encourage femininity. Gold fish (no tropicals) make the best tank water. If u have no fish, then I use Fox Farm Big Bloom diluted to 1/4 strength. Do either till seedlings are big enough to take nutes. Big Bloom seems to have the same growth hormones as tank water to encourage femininity, & that makes sense, since it also has sea bird guano in the formulation, & they eat fish.
    ---- Pro-mix is a nursery product that usually DOESN'T cater to what we grow, & you actually need a nute free seed starter because seedling roots can't actuall take it up at first, & they burn so easily. Thats why I use & recommend the pro-mix standard. And what I highly recommend to start them off good & healthy is the fox farm Big Bloom. Thats carried wherever ocean forest is carried. As soon as I get off my lazy ass & get some work done around here, I'll be posting more detail about this on my camper closet grow. Probably next week. Damned! This reads like a sales pitch! LOL! But I'm passionate about products I love. ~~~ PEACE! ~~~

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    #16
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    Adventures in Cloning.... help please?

    Ok, cat knows her stuff. :joint1: But here is a dime bags worth, cloning, 1st- the cut, no scissors, brand new razor blade(treat it like a condom and get rid of it each session) 2- medium- stay sterile for first ten days then go to dirt(red solo cup) 3- light- diffused florescent(I go 24 on) 4- temp - tropical fish temp 5- misting, go easy mold. 6- water - distilled till roots appear, then you can play god.:jointsmile:

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    #17
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    Adventures in Cloning.... help please?

    Cleanliness, you got that right Ranger. Keep a spray bottle of isopropal around your work area & clean your tools often. Nothing like prevention. While most plant diseases are fungal in nature, nothing will close the capillaries in a cutting faster than bacteria. & absolutely sterile medium, regardless of what it is. Here's a little something worth passing on. WHERE YOU GET YOUR GROWING MEDIUM! All packaged planting medium is sterilized where it's processed & packaged. But it can become seriously contaminated between there & your grow. Places like walmarts & hardware stores are retail stores, not horticulturalist. Most mediums are packaged in bags with tiny little holes to keep moist medium from going sour. I've seen both home depot & walmart have their bags outside sitting on the ground. The process of 'wicking action' will draw moisture from the ground into the bags, bring with it bacteria & a host of soil bourn plant diseases & if it rains while these bags are on the ground, that speeds up & multiplies greatly. Nurseries, florist & grow stores, however, ARE horticulturalist. They know about plant pathogens & will place their bags on pallets, or some other means to prevent contact with raw soil. So where you get your growing medium is very important. I know it cost more, but this is an instance where you get what you pay for. The same for nutes, but that another topic
    ---- So many posts have mentioned the importance of keeping cloning/grow areas clean, but not once have I seen mentioned how to avoid contaminated medium, & it's so VERY important. ~~~ PEACE! ~~~


    P.S. Shame on you Ranger! We don't use dirt! We use SOIL! LOL! just playing with you !

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    #18
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    Adventures in Cloning.... help please?

    Catbuds and Ranger - thanks so much for all the good info. I am making notes. I haven't tried pro mix organic - that's something I should look into. Also saw good review of Roots Organic. Will give them a try next go-round. The idea of putting some Big Bloom into the soil before planting seedlings is a good one when using soil-less mediums. I used Grow Big and Tiger Bloom last grow and am very happy with them. Adding worm-castings seems to be a good nutrient to add too.

    I completely agree with watching where you buy your soil. The first soil I bought was full of gnats and really screwed my plants up early on in my last grow. The Ocean Forest I bought later at a horticultural store was much better. Have you ever tried the Light Warrior soil by Fox Farms?

    Sorry if I'm slow in answering here, my computer is on the fritz and I think I may have to buy a new one. (ArrGgg!) They used to last longer, didn't they? This one's only 4 years old.

    Love you guys! You're great!

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    #19
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    Adventures in Cloning.... help please?

    Don't forget about the standard pro-mix. It has no nutes which makes it an excellent seed starter. This is what you want because seedlings nute burn so easily.
    ---- Here's the NPK on Big Bloom: 0.01-0.3-0.7. Doesn't sound like much, but that's not what we're after. It's all those luscious micronutrients, trace elements & enzymes. Use this for your grow from begining to end. & Tiger Bloom? If I liked it any more, I'd be drinking it! Its not just good, it's awesome! Untill my favorite supply store started catering to our type of grow, fox farm products we're hard to come by for me & I used products from 'spray & grow', which are great because they're organic, but not quite as good as fox farms.
    ----That first soil you bought, full of gnats, imagine all the nasty little microscopic pathogens that it was probably loaded with! I've never tried the Light Warrior soil. The owner of the grow supply store said ocean forest was better, so I didn't bother, & I trust his judgment (he has hort degree too & yrs of grow experience). Besides, he's a CAT LOVER! How could he be wrong!?!? LOL!........... & here's a funny story about big fat cat Tigger! I was sitting on the edge of the bed cross legged & bent forward sorting my mail which was on the floor. Tig had been sleeping behind me & I didn't realise he was awake & wanting a cuddle, so being a love butter, he head butted me in the back, HARD! Shoved me right off onto the floor! Took me 20 min to stop laughing, & another 10 to get up off the floor. He doesn't realize how big & strong he is, & he's butted many things over...... but I just never thought I'd be one of them! LOL!!!!

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    #20
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    Adventures in Cloning.... help please?

    Oh my goodness - I have to see a pic of this giant cat of yours! How much bigger can he get before you can ride him? :P

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