To sub or not to sub?

[Ecupirate87]

Im sure its possible but i doubt it. He pissed about 2 oz after only 2 cups of water. It was the last oz that tripped him up. He was pretty dehydrated as it was very hot and he was walking all over campus in the sun. Wait and see I guess, but i think ill be fine.

Ecupirate87 Reviewed by Ecupirate87 on 09-05-2013. To sub or not to sub? I have until 5pm on monday to piss for a new job. By that time, ill be 44 days clean. Im 5'9 225, not much working out lately. Its a test at quest.. Just tested myself,(pic attached) and have produced a faint line. Not my first void, but i only had a cup of water to drink today. I dont mind subbing, and have been practicing a LOT. My friend doesnt do any type of drugs. Im considering subbing just for peace of mind. I was producing ghost lines with my first void of the day a week ago. Rating: 5

[Ecupirate87]

Burnt, I was feeling good after the test, but now im scared! Like I said his first 2 oz in the bottle were only from a couple cups of water. He started chugging and probably drank 85% of the gallon of water to produce the last oz.

I know theres no way to tell, but the dark yellow urine has no bearing on the specific gravity/ creatinine?

He said he hadn't drank nearly any water in 2 days.

The test didnt state it would test for nitrates.. Does that have anything to do with gravity/creatinine? Thanks.

[Burnt Toast]

Because you stated in post #9 that he drank a "whole gallon of water" is what breeds concern. To reduce the risks of overdilution, he shouldve not exceeded 16 oz of water per hour.

Color has no bearing upon S/G and creatinine levels. As Ive already stated, samples with color to them can still register unsatisfactory creatinine and S/G. The only way to see if the creatinine and S/G had diminished to "unsafe" levels is to run a validity test on the urine (Do a Google search for "drug adulteration test kits"). Otherwise, you'll be playing a guessing game which can prove to be costly.

The test didnt state it would test for nitrates.. Does that have anything to do with gravity/creatinine?

Nope. Nitrites is an entirely different urine constituent being tested. Nitrites are found in some drop-in additives (depending on the brand) used to spike a "dirty" urine sample. Nitrites are also found in such foods as pork and poultry. The human body can also produce nitrites naturally, though this is a sign of a urinary tract infection. For this reason, only a tiny amount of nitrites can be permitted in a urine sample.

Under DHHS regulations, any urine sample with a nitrites level of 500 mcg/ml (micrograms per milliliter) or above is considered forensically defensible as proof of adulteration.

[Ecupirate87]

Because you stated in post #9 that he drank a "whole gallon of water" is what breeds concern. To reduce the risks of overdilution, he shouldve not exceeded 16 oz of water per hour.

Color has no bearing upon S/G and creatinine levels. As Ive already stated, samples with color to them can still register unsatisfactory creatinine and S/G. The only way to see if the creatinine and S/G had diminished to "unsafe" levels is to run a validity test on the urine (Do a Google search for "drug adulteration test kits"). Otherwise, you'll be playing a guessing game which can prove to be costly.

Nope. Nitrites is an entirely different urine constituent being tested. Nitrites are found in some drop-in additives (depending on the brand) used to spike a "dirty" urine sample. Nitrites are also found in such foods as pork and poultry. The human body can also produce nitrites naturally, though this is a sign of a urinary tract infection. For this reason, only a tiny amount of nitrites can be permitted in a urine sample.

Under DHHS regulations, any urine sample with a nitrites level of 500 mcg/ml (micrograms per milliliter) or above is considered forensically defensible as proof of adulteration.

Doesnt it help my cause that 2 out of the 3 oz were before he drank from that gallon? At that point, he had 2 cups of coffee early in the morning, and 2 cups of water right before he urinated.

He drank most of the gallon and was able to squeeze out the last oz. i figured this would help my cause as it maybe all of that water had not been processed through his body.

If you were to take an educated guess, do you think it would pass?

[Ecupirate87]

Anybody? Going crazy

[Ecupirate87]

Not that anybody cares, but i tested thursday around 3 and have not heard anything as of yet.

[un1bomber]

Great! I also tested Thursday, at about noon, and I got results today (test canceled due to immunoassay interference apparently, but that's besides the point). It's possible you may have to wait another day, but you can always call the lab to see if the results are in. It really isn't suspicious in my opinion, if you just tell them you're making sure the sample got there safely (I personally had a problem where the sample got there with the seal broken and nullified the test).

As Burnt said in Post # 13, you ARE playing a bit of a guessing game. Given your information it seems entirely plausible that you have passed. Though it is also quite possible it will show up as dilute due to low creatinine levels.

Essentially where everyone is getting at, is there's just no way to know for sure. Trust me, I don't smoke cigarettes, but recently I've started smoking a lot of them just to manage my stress level a bit, and I'm still going out of my mind with the stress.

Regardless, I wish you the best of luck and hope all turns out well.

[Ecupirate87]

Great! I also tested Thursday, at about noon, and I got results today (test canceled due to immunoassay interference apparently, but that's besides the point). It's possible you may have to wait another day, but you can always call the lab to see if the results are in. It really isn't suspicious in my opinion, if you just tell them you're making sure the sample got there safely (I personally had a problem where the sample got there with the seal broken and nullified the test).

As Burnt said in Post # 13, you ARE playing a bit of a guessing game. Given your information it seems entirely plausible that you have passed. Though it is also quite possible it will show up as dilute due to low creatinine levels.

Essentially where everyone is getting at, is there's just no way to know for sure. Trust me, I don't smoke cigarettes, but recently I've started smoking a lot of them just to manage my stress level a bit, and I'm still going out of my mind with the stress.

Regardless, I wish you the best of luck and hope all turns out well.

Thank you. I seriously doubt that it comes back dilute. Like I said, 60% of the urine was VERY concentrated. Even the last 40% was pale yellow. I know color isnt really an indicator but i feel like I would've heard by now if it was dilute. No chance of testing positive. I don't expect to hear from the lab or recruiter. No news is good news, right? She told me the employer would have results in 24-48 hrs so i feel they would've called today or yesterday. Was yours pre-employment? Who called you?

[un1bomber]

Mine was DOT-regulated pre-employment. And nobody called me, I called the MRO to ask if the test got there safely and when I did, she informed me the result was in too, but hadn't been sent to the employer yet.
In all honesty, I'm not sure what's going to happen with it yet, I'm just waiting to hear from the company to see if they want another one, if this one's actually fine, or if I just don't have the job. We'll see. I have a thread up about the topic and I'll update there when I learn more. In my opinion it's some good information about a particular brand of synthetic urine.

[hickory]

Ecupirate87: you were clean 44 days and still felt the need to sub? Just curious as to why as it seems you'd pass naturally imo, or do I have no idea what i'm talking about? (I am admittedly green -- no pun intended -- when it comes to testing but I need to learn FAST!).

I ask because I will be 30 roughly 30 days (mostly) clean when I have to pee early next week. I say "mostly" because I did really mess up and have 4 hits in the last 10 days or so before I realized I'd have to screen (2 hits about 10 days ago, 2 more 3 days ago). But I got a home kit and tested negative with a pretty firm pink strip. I'm not letting that make me lazy but it did give me hope that with some other minor preparations -- starting exercise for the next week, plenty of water -- that I could pee clean without doing anything else that might arouse suspicion (cleansing teas, subbing, etc.)

Am I setting myself up for failure? I assume these home kits only test to 50ngs. Does anyone know what Quest tests to (15ngs?) and are there home kits that test to THAT level so I can get a better idea on if I really will piss clean come next week or if I need to be looking at more drastic measures?