I agree with you about not using stuff like forbid but only when a plant is in budding not when it has 3 1/2 to 4 months to go . I mean really do you honestly think there is going to be any residue left on these plants in 4 months . I usually use floramite the start of my veg once a season early and haven't had spider mites since but went with the forbid this year . I dont need to go thru all the stuff your talking about shovelhandle ive been there before and I find my preventive maintenance works alot better then all that . Ive been doing this along time and none of my patients have ever died or even been sick from my meds . So mr shovel your so smart why dont you tell me whats wrong with these plants and if you dont know then please preach to some rookie whos doesn't know better .