on a side note tho, altho i had some issues with height and stretching it wasnt overly that bad once she slowed and started to fatten up. they're all about 4f in height from the soil. (i did top and lst tho) from reading everyones notes/log this was everyones main bitch, so maybe they are working on it? and i think if barneys farm was to change the flower times and to say 50/50 sat/ind then there not far off with there description. i personally am pretty pleased with them. ill do a review and a weight comparison between the diff phenoy's when there ready at the end of the log