Julius Caesar did change the way 'democracies' work. But a more direct cause of our system can be attributed to John Locke, who was the first in the U.S. to propose 'private property'.


I love the 'with the grain' comments. I expected a backlash--this is great.

To growhand420: You're making one mistake in imagining this system in that you are taking mindsets of today, and hypothesizing how they would react in the society of tomorrow.

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but i think are population numbers are just to large to get rid of the monetary system without causing violence
You are referring to 'the transition'. This goes above my head. My brain aches when I try to imagine how a resource based economy could come about. There might be violence. Then again, I believe that the U.S. government facilitated the assassination of JFK to go to war, the bombing at Pearl Harbor to go war, and the WTC attacks on 9/11 -> to go to war. Why go to war? Power and resources (oil). The U.S. has been acting like the mob to OPEC (oil) countries since the 50's. My point is, if the government thinks killing its own citizens to go to war for oil (money) is worth it, then why can't I believe that bloodshed in the name of a better world is worth it?

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and to say crime would vanish that is possible because then there will be no structure to create
did you mean to say impossible? I didn't say crime would vanish. I said that all monetarily incentivized crime would vanish. And I'm glad you drew the parallel the Amish--they don't have police, so how do they keep from murdering each other? They are a self policing entity, that is, each person in the community influences the 'bad apple', making it very unattractive to behave badly. Crime won't ever disappear, because we are human, and crazy.