Is this Mag & Cal or ? deficiency?

[polishpollack]

Without seeing them for myself and only knowing what you show here, I'm going to say take them outside and flush. Then let the soil dry out some. People water too much with indoor grows. The roots need oxygen and the only way that will happen is if the soil is allowed to dry out some before water again. You shouldn't need to add all the other stuff. Ideally, you only use one of those products like cha ching, and only use it once or twice in a soil grow, early in flowering. I'm wondering about calcium and magnesium. You don't write those in the fert contents. I'm guessing that there might be some of these in your soil, but you might consider getting some cal-mag by Botainicare. Just following any directions on the back. These extra products may not be necessary and just get people to spend more money. You've got to be careful how much you give cuz you're really just killing plants with kindness, i.e., spending too much money! So flush, let dry for a while, no more adding ferts as it looks like phosphorus toxicity (too much P), use only tiger bloom for a while unless there are nutes missing and you need some Grow to include them. It might be smart to contact foxfarm and ask them what to use for flowering, just don't be specific what you are growing (I'm sure they'll understand), I'd avoid giving ferts for a while and see what happens, meaning they might just finish fine as they are, after flushing. When you flush, just add enough water until water runs out for about 15 seconds, not too long, but enough to wash out some salts. It'll be interesting to see how this works out so please do me a favor and come back and report progress, good or bad. We all could learn from stuff like this. This is a good reason why we want to practice getting things right from the beginning because guess-work will kill a plant.

[polishpollack]

If you want to take out the guess work, Happy Frog soil might be a good one to go with. Or a box of foxfarm's powder fert called fruit and flower, which you add 1/2 cup of fert for every gallon of soil and mix well, put your plants in that. Or if you want to get a little fancy and spend a few bucks, you can get a method that should be great and all you do is add water. Policy Read the text, then click on continue to see the page for the soil pages. I think what you do is get sunshine mix number 2, and divide the mix in half, mixing one half with the top fert mix and the other half with bottom fert mix as the top and bottom ferts are of different strengths. keep the halves separate and know which one is which because the bottom mix should only go in the bottom of a grow pot, top goes on top. Don't add anything else unless you absolutely have to. preferably use distilled water, letting the soil dry some between waterings. They will ship the fert mix to you. Hard part is finding sunshine mix 2. Promix will probably be alright. You can call and ask about any soil substitutes that will work. Make sure you're clear on the instructions.

[Happy Retiree]

Really appreciate your response. It's 11pm here, & I'm leaving early a.m. for a hospital morning. So! If it's a matter of "life & death" to the plant, I can't flush till Thursday. I'll do it tonight if warranted.

I'll respond to the rest of your post shortly.

[Happy Retiree]

PP (polishpollack) - are you still there? It's 11:30pm here so I'll be calling it a night. I'll look forward to future posts.

[polishpollack]

Just avoid using those extra products with high phosphorus, it's too much. Let us know how things work out. Giving a bunch of fert because you can isn't a great idea. A grower needs to know what they're doing.

[Happy Retiree]

Just avoid using those extra products with high phosphorus, it's too much. Let us know how things work out. Giving a bunch of fert because you can isn't a great idea. A grower needs to know what they're doing.

Will do! We also have a bottle of the Dynabloom that you talk about. We're going to use that with our new crop of White Widow & see how that goes. Thank you for all your input. I'll keep you abreast of our progress.

[polishpollack]

The dynabloom should pretty much be all you need, but only for the bloom cycle. If you look at the contents, you'll see it has a bunch of the micronutes in there as well. Make sure you follow the directions on how much to use, so it pays to read the label. There's a difference between soil and hydroponic grows for this brand, in how much you use per gallon of water. Remember that the bloom version is for bloom only, as the higher phosphorus is designed to provide flowering and budding what it needs. Maybe try a grow fert until you switch to 12/12 lighting, the use the bloom. Your plants may not need to be given fert with each watering. If leaves look pale green and yellowing, they probably need a little nitrogen. If leaf tips are turning brown without going yellow first, that's probably too much nitrogen. After a while, and some reading, you begin to learn that specific problems have specific signs at certain times in a grow. It's just like being a doctor in that you diagnose the problem based on what you know and see. By the way, you've sure spent some payola on ferts. No offense, but it's a lesson learned - it just ain't necessary. Maybe grow some tomatoes to get your money's worth, eh?

[polishpollack]

Is there any improvement?

[Happy Retiree]

Is there any improvement?

Thanks for asking. No improvement yet. Of the 16 plants we have, I picked off a big handful of bad leaves today. But remember, we didn't flush - in fact we gave the FF nutes 1 more time (before you responded) & watered plain once since then. They're due for another watering tomorrow which I plan to be straight water.

[polishpollack]

Watering tomorrow might be a good idea, but remember that's it's best to let the soil dry out some before you water again. Since you have a lot of P in the soil, another watering is probably good.