Is this Mag & Cal or ? deficiency?

[Happy Retiree]

I have to amend my last comments. First of all, for Crops 1 & 2, I followed the FF Veg schedule using only Grow Big (6-4-4) & Big Bloom (.01-.3-.7) plus 3 ml SuperThrive. Problem was I added nutes EVERY watering because I read the chart wrong. This could be where the problems began - at the beginning!!!

[Happy Retiree]

Most people go easier on ferts and this is why I suggest people use happy frog or other soil that has fert in it. I swear, I'm going to start making my own potting soil with fert mix and sell it cuz it would make life so much easier. Anyone up for that? If I make a mix and package it, would this interest anyone out there?

From FoxFarm's website: Here you can see the difference between the Ocean Forest & Happy Frog.

Ocean Forest® Potting Soil
Good Things From the Earth and Sea!
The ultimate potting soilâ??everything your plants need, in one bag. Ocean Forest® is a powerhouse blend of premium earthworm castings, bat guano, and sea-going fish and crab meal.
Composted forest humus, sandy loam, and sphagnum peat moss give Ocean Forest® its light, aerated texture.
Garden tip: Perfect for containers and ready to use right out of the bag. Ocean Forest® is pH adjusted at 6.3 to 6.8 to allow for optimum fertilizer uptake. Thereâ??s no need for nitrogen fertilizers at first; instead try an organic blend like FoxFarm Big Bloom® Liquid Plant Food to encourage strong branching and a sturdy, healthy growth habit.

Happy Frog® Potting Soil
Handcrafted in the Humboldt Nation
Your potted plants deserve the best. Their roots canâ??t seek out nutrients in the ground, so you have to bring it to them. Thatâ??s why Happy Frog® Potting Soil is alive with beneficial microbes and fungi that help break down organic matter and feed the plant roots.
Between the earthworm castings, the bat guano, and the composted forest humus, your container plants have never felt so good. And donâ??t worryâ??FoxFarm uses only the highest quality, premium ingredientsâ??no cheap fillers, no topsoil, no sludge.
Garden tip: Happy Frog® Potting Soil is perfect for container gardens.

[Mal420xl]

ocean is awesome but it is hot and stays hot. you dont want to add nutes to that except maybe bb and some cal mag if you needed it for a good while. anything else and you might as well take a blow torch to them.

[Happy Retiree]

ocean is awesome but it is hot and stays hot. you dont want to add nutes to that except maybe bb and some cal mag if you needed it for a good while. anything else and you might as well take a blow torch to them.

So how can it be awesome & HOT at the same time? Maybe it's awesome for tomatoes but HOT for cannabis? It says not to add nutes for 3 weeks right on the bag. Would that suffice? What is the definition of HOT? What do you recommend in lieu of Ocean Forest?

[Mal420xl]

3 weeks...mmm about that. well i would say as long as you dont add nutes for quite a while and the plants have good roots established its awesome. after the better part of 2 months vegging my runoffs still read 2k+ppm, 2.1 ec. until that changes i wont add anything but some tiger bloom once i get them flowering. definition of "hot" is high in nitrogen and means that very young, weak, poor root systems will get the blowtorch effect. any soil can work. foxfarm and similar companies design the nutes and soils to be used in stages. start off in light warrior, get good roots going, transplant to ocean forest or happy frog get them nice and transitioned then start adding the feed etc. i started using it only because i cant get topsoil and make my own mix in the winter.
as long as you are aware of the pros and cons and can adapt to them you can work with most anything.

[Happy Retiree]

3 weeks...mmm about that. well i would say as long as you dont add nutes for quite a while and the plants have good roots established its awesome. after the better part of 2 months vegging my runoffs still read 2k+ppm, 2.1 ec. until that changes i wont add anything but some tiger bloom once i get them flowering. definition of "hot" is high in nitrogen and means that very young, weak, poor root systems will get the blowtorch effect. any soil can work. foxfarm and similar companies design the nutes and soils to be used in stages. start off in light warrior, get good roots going, transplant to ocean forest or happy frog get them nice and transitioned then start adding the feed etc. i started using it only because i cant get topsoil and make my own mix in the winter.
as long as you are aware of the pros and cons and can adapt to them you can work with most anything.

FF says: "Thereâ??s no need for nitrogen fertilizers at first; instead try an organic blend like FoxFarm Big Bloom® Liquid Plant Food to encourage strong branching and a sturdy, healthy growth habit".

So there you have it! My plants really looks like they had a "blow-torch" put to them, that's for sure. Mia coppa. I'm the only one to blame. Their schedule calls for 2 tsp Tiger Bloom (2-8-4) + 1 Tbl Big Bloom (.01-.3-.7) every other watering.

They also recommend the following products for Flowering every other watering:

Open Sesame® Early Flowering Formula
( 5 - 45 - 19 ) 1st 2 wks of Flowering 1/4-1/2 tsp

Open Sesame® is a pH balanced blend of extra strength nutrients specifically designed for use during early flowering and ripening in fruits, buds, and flowers. With Open Sesame® you can look for enhanced flower size and multiple bud development. Use in soilless mixes, organic soils, hydroponics, and aeroponic systems. Open Sesame® is a high-phosphorus soluble fertilizer thatâ??s designed to bring plants into bloom on command. Just say the magic words!

Beastie Bloomz® Heavyweight Blossom Builder
( 0 - 50 - 30 ) wks 3 & 4 of Flowering 1/4 - 1/2 tsp

Beastie Bloomz® is perfect for gardeners and growers who are ready to take their plants to the next level. This is a high-phosphorus soluble fertilizer thatâ??s geared towards building amazing buds and flowers. Our revolutionary micronutrient pack is designed to create unbelievable internal bud density, which means that plants create fat, dense, tightly-packed blossoms, and plenty of them. Youâ??ll also see exceptionally brilliant color and a long, dazzling blooming season.

Cha Ching® Late Flowering Formula
( 9 - 50 - 10 ) wks 5-8 of Flowering 1/4 - 1/2 tsp

FoxFarm engineered Cha Ching® to maximize a plantâ??s production. Cha Ching® is a high-phosphorus fertilizer that wonâ??t leave a salty residue or build up in the soil and creates juicy, robust fruit with concentrated flavor and perfect texture.

[Mal420xl]

honestly all that may be a bit of overkill and their attempt to strip you of your cash. i cant see needing much more then the main three. grow big, big bloom during veg and maybe using all three, although i dont see the need going by my run off readings, other than a little bloom big or tiger bloom during flower. unless the ppm dropped off i wouldnt need to add grow big. right now all my plants are getting is a little bloom big and cal mag. next week when i shift them over ill flush them then start tiger bloom every other watering. i will hit them with sledgehammer a week before i start just feeding them water near the end.
thats just me im sure there are plenty of others with better info.

[polishpollack]

Hey, they don't call it Cha Ching for nothing!

[Happy Retiree]

Hey, they don't call it Cha Ching for nothing!

LOL. Well said!

[Happy Retiree]

honestly all that may be a bit of overkill and their attempt to strip you of your cash. i cant see needing much more then the main three. grow big, big bloom during veg and maybe using all three, although i dont see the need going by my run off readings, other than a little bloom big or tiger bloom during flower. unless the ppm dropped off i wouldnt need to add grow big. right now all my plants are getting is a little bloom big and cal mag. next week when i shift them over ill flush them then start tiger bloom every other watering. i will hit them with sledgehammer a week before i start just feeding them water near the end.
thats just me im sure there are plenty of others with better info.

I agree. OVERKILL. I'm not going to use them. I, too, will stick with the main three & pretty much agree with the rest of your statements.

What week will you be flushing & how do you do that? FLUSHING to me is pouring 3x's the amount of water to the size of the container, e.g. 5 gal container should get 15 gals of water flushed through it. The term "leaching" is also used. I have Sledgehammer but haven't used it.

What strains are you growing & what is your yield? I have been growing Jack Flash & getting on average 3 ozs dry per plant. I have been growing 16 plants under 3-1000 Watt Big Kahuna but just increased the number of plants to 27. I also just started growing White Widow XTRM. Perhaps this is a discussion for a different thread.