drOOpy leaves for nOOb

[knehiblazr]

Need help. Stat! Closet grow...My fan leaves have begun to droop. Not just the leaves. The entire branch. Only the fan leaves..other plants in different location, same setup and everything, no problems except the burn mentioned below. This one, I've had various issues thru the growth but nothing drastic. This seems to be an issue I can't ignore. I had nute burn which I flushed and cut down. I had inadequate lighting so I upped the lumens. Did great. Temp always 68°-75°. Unsure of humidity and pH but humidity shud be fine since it hasn't been an issue yet. I use organic nutes bio root 1-1-1 and CaMg and miracle grow on occasion. I kno I shud stick to a schedule but I don't know one. So I change it up on as I feel needed. But its not up to me its the plants choice. Either way I water daily with plain tap and occasionally nutes. Been fine. But I've noticed I haven't given the soil more then two days if a full two days to dry out. The top is usually moist. My system has been, if the towel on the bottom of the pots dry...water...no? So I'm going to skip a few waterings to attempt a resolve.. But 2 1/2 mo into grow now I have this. I raised the lights and like clockwork the leaves lowered. I can't figure this out. And they get lower by the hour. Someone got suggestions!? Check the pics. Any feedback much appreciated.imp:

knehiblazr Reviewed by knehiblazr on 01-25-2013. drOOpy leaves for nOOb Need help. Stat! Closet grow...My fan leaves have begun to droop. Not just the leaves. The entire branch. Only the fan leaves..other plants in different location, same setup and everything, no problems except the burn mentioned below. This one, I've had various issues thru the growth but nothing drastic. This seems to be an issue I can't ignore. I had nute burn which I flushed and cut down. I had inadequate lighting so I upped the lumens. Did great. Temp always 68°-75°. Unsure of humidity and Rating: 5

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[polishpollack]

Are you using a flourescent light? If so, you want it close to the plant. It doesn't look bad, but you should put a small fan in there to knock it around some to strengthen the stem. It actually looks pretty good.

[knehiblazr]

Yea I'm using a fluorescent setup wit two 1200lumens bulbs along the top and two smaller 75w grow bulb (left side) and 65w clf (right side) on each side angle down towards middle of plant. Since the last post I haven't watered. But the leaves still have this droopiness. I added the fan like u said and its still the same. Not expecting immediate results. The leaves haven't really gotten any lower but I'm keeping a close eyes on everything. BUT, now, the top four inches maybe little less of the plant is curving to the rightabout half an inch. Kind of like its trying to bend towards the light source. But the lightings evenly spread. One build each side. Fluorescent on top. Could the cfl brightness be the cause? But why would it bend now? Still healthy. I don't know. I'm hoping for the best. As always, any response greatly appreciatedimp:

[polishpollack]

The lower leaves look pretty big, so I'm guessing that it's the leaf weight that is pulling the branch downward. Not to worry. However, you might have another problem with the plant height. The farther light is from a plant, the more the plant will stretch so you want to keep light close to the top of the plant. To promote the plant's bushiness, getting it to grow lower and out more, you might consider cutting off the top of the plant. It will still grow upwards, but out as well. Let the soil dry out some before watering again. I'm not sure that Bioroot is going to be enough NPK nutes for a growing plant. It looks good so far, but if you see yellowing of the lower leaves, you'll have a nitrogen deficiency and will have to add some fert kicker. It would be interesting to see what happens here, to see if Bioroot is not just a supplement, but enough NPK to grow an entire plant through its lifespan. Just stick with the bioroot and see how things go. You really need to let the soil dry out however, like maybe go a week without watering, because that's how oxygen gets to the roots - through dry soil. Roots need oxygen and too much water pushes air out of the soil. Nice plant so far. Keep us posted on your progress and what changes you make, if any.

[knehiblazr]

Yea I thought the leaves were pretty big. So that makes me worry a bit less. As of now, I moved the two side lights closer, and left the fluorescent as is. And that 9 inches. Closer? I really appreciate your tips and advice. The nitrogen has always been a thought in my mind. Keeping a close eye there as well. You've help more than I expected anyone. BUT, I have two more questions I feel you could provide good info for me as well as the other growers who view this thread. Below I have a few pics. First, the top of the plant, the newest growth. Your advice was to top it. Where would I do this exactly at. And at 2 1/2 ft tall almost three months of veg growth, is this an appropriate time? And can I do this to other areas on the plant? The other pictures are of two leaves on the plant, only two with burn or whatnot that continues to kill the leaf. Which I feel they are going to die.the small yellow leaf is the lowest fan leaf on the plant. Since birth. The other is three nodes up. Slight browning of edges. Any ideas? As always, and advice is greatly appreciatedimp:

[growhand420]

where to top at? at the very top of the plant were the leafs grow at or you can just FIM it by just cutting 60% of it same effect but it will still grow up topping starts 2-4 new colas or tops theres also super cropping wich creates a thicker stem for the buds weight
is three months of veg appropriate? if i was you i would start flowering because the plant grows 1 to 2 thirds in the flowering stage and if you grow it to tall the buds will be smaller and all over the place see a plant"s bud capacity is already preditermined by its genetics
and your final question is can you top anywhere? no not anywhere because if your plants loose to much veg growth it will go into shock and die but i have seen people top 2 to 3 internodes down the people that done this said it creates 4 main colas..
i hope this helps with your journy into the grow world and remember THE MORE YOU GROW THE MORE YOU WILL KNOW and please keep us posted!

[polishpollack]

Lower leaf yellowing is usually a sign of Nitrogen deficiency. I think that's what's going on there. If that is a 5 gallon bucket it might be enough to last the entire grow, space-wise that is. You need to add some fert and at times like this I usually recommend that a person use Dynagrow 7-9-5. There's really only two ferts from Dynagrow and I suspect it's because they realize it's all you really need. The 7-9-5 fert is actually for veg but you've been growing that plant for long enough that you need to put it on a 12/12 light cycle, 12 hours on, 12 hours off, to get its hormones to change from growing to budding. Growhand is right, the plant will continue to grow but it will be less than if you gave it more lighting. About topping, it doesn't really matter. You can just cut off about one inch off the top. If the branches get too long, you can cut them off, but not too much as the plant needs the leaves to convert light to sugars in photosynthesis. The fertilizer will set you back close to $20. Several years ago it was only $11 and was the shit to use as it has pretty much everything plants need. Just use that and good potting soil and you won't have to do anything else. Just be carefull not to overdo it. Follow the directions on the back where you use 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon in a gallon of water for soil grows. It can be used in hydro too at a different strength. If might better to the the other fert, the one for flowering. It will provide nitrogen, but considerably more phosphorus, which is needed for flowering. However, I suspect that the 7-9-5 will probably be okay for you're use here. If you don't want to spend the extra money, you can get something like Schultz for alot cheaper at places like Walmart. Schultz

[knehiblazr]

Went to Walmart. Looked for Schultz. Might be out of season here? Winter northeastern. I'll go to the local grow store they'll have it. At 7 am I'm turn in the lights out. Since both recommend it. Appreciate your wisdom growhand. I kinda want to let one more node grow before topping. But I will. I have another small sprout I need to remove and place under 24/hr. Probably at my buddys with a few others. BUT- I have a new growth. Pretty sure its a pre flower. Pic below. Its the only thing like it on the plant.and in two spots. I will deff keep thee informed of thy growth. A.a.ã.�imp:

[knehiblazr]

This is also something I believe to be a pre flower. Just wanted to add this pic quick. A.a.ã.�imp: